stethoscope
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Just. No.
Why the Lib Dems are good and effective
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Just. No.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
1) 800,000 people taken out of tax altogether - millions more to follow in next three years
2) pensions finally linked to earnings after 13 years of no movement by Labour
3) end to child detention
4) referendum on electoral reform
5) plans for an elected house of Lords
6) pupil premium for poorest children
7) a deputy prime-minister willing to speak his mind over Iraq at the despatch box
8) scrapping ID cards
9) review of 28 day detention without charge
10) no third runway at Heathrow
11) High Speed Rail extended across country
12) Banking Levy
13) Capital gains tax raised to 28%
14) investment in cancer treatment particularly new cancer drugs
15) an end to LGBT asylum seekers being sent back to countries of origin where they risk being persecuted
16) support for Ken Clarkes rehabilitation agenda in relation to prisons
17) renewing traditional ties with Commonwealth countries like India
18) plans for a gay marriage bill
19) Devolution in NHS, Education and police forces
20) major investment in renewable energy and no public subsidy for nuclear
21) better benefit support for people that really need it
more to come...
There are some things in there that I agree with!
elbows
Well-Known Member
No doubt this need to get defensive about the Lib Dems is due to recent polls suggesting that 40% of people who voted lib dem wouldnt have done do if they realised the lib dems would form a coalition with the Tories. Even if the Lib Dems are actually responsible for making some of the Tory policies slightly less horrific over this parliament, their actions have already lost some people for good and theres no amount of propaganda or Clegg summer bus tours of the country that will change that. The remaining Lib Dem supporters might be slightly less conflicted and confused about where they stand, for they will be the ones whose real political beliefs are fairly compatible with both Tory policy and the Lib Dems political origins, be gone fake lefty clothes that Lib Dems tried to wear in recent times, and also the support they got by simply being the only large party in England to be against the Iraq war.
I suppose there are still a number of different ways it could pan out in the years ahead. If by some miracle the economy does not end up sucking massively for a prolonged period, then maybe they will be ok and get some credit. If there are clear examples of scummy Tory policy being prevented by the lib dems, then maybe they will get some credit from that, but it will be hard to prove and a lot of people will not be wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt.
If they ultimately end up pulling the plug on their own government by voting against the tories on something they shouldnt, and causing a fresh election, then maybe some people will thank them for that, but even so theyve almost certainly lost the vote of everyone who doesnt want tory governments for at least a generation, and so they will be very lucky if there is not at least one general election where they are virtually wiped out.
I suppose there are still a number of different ways it could pan out in the years ahead. If by some miracle the economy does not end up sucking massively for a prolonged period, then maybe they will be ok and get some credit. If there are clear examples of scummy Tory policy being prevented by the lib dems, then maybe they will get some credit from that, but it will be hard to prove and a lot of people will not be wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt.
If they ultimately end up pulling the plug on their own government by voting against the tories on something they shouldnt, and causing a fresh election, then maybe some people will thank them for that, but even so theyve almost certainly lost the vote of everyone who doesnt want tory governments for at least a generation, and so they will be very lucky if there is not at least one general election where they are virtually wiped out.
elbows
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Someone correct me if Im wrong but I think it comes from the idea that some taxes are progressive and some are regressive. The Lib Dems have long had tax proposals that are meant to sound progressive but arent really very progressive, and tories generally did little in the past to hide their regressive tax instincts. Combined these two have produced a budget which cut a progressive tax (income) and raised a regressive one (VAT) and yet because image is important and they want to pretend to be being nice and fair, they claimed it was progressive. Not a very credible claim.
Stay Beautiful
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OR a £16bn tax cut for the rich - paid for by cutting the services lower paid workers depend on. Plus a 2.5% increase in a regressive tax that hits lower paid workers the hardest. Fantastic.
Wasn't all this Labour policy too?
.... and issue an apology about it as soon as he'd left it.
8 to 20 - 'Reviews' or Labour/Tory policy or supporting Ken Clarke. Fair play though on renewing traditional ties with India.
Good grief!
Combustible
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Chris Huhne on Radio 4 today was saying there would be no major public investment in renewable energy due to "overspending" by the previous government. Also it's not very progressive to pay for non cost effective cancer drugs and members of every government visit India, it hardly means anything.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
They ar good at showing thier own voters just how little a shit they give for core values of the party.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Or that many of their voters misunderstood the core values of the party.
I mean really some of the apparent perceptions about how nice and cuddly the lib dems values were before the election were never backed up by stuff in their manifestos, indeed I think a lot of the people who are disillusioned lib dem voters should perhaps have read something like the green party manifesto if they wanted examples of certain policies that actually seem kind of fair.
1) 800,000 people taken out of tax altogether - millions more to follow in next three years
Lib-Dem policy is to scrap tax credits
2) pensions finally linked to earnings after 13 years of no movement by Labour
pensions at present linked to inflation.. inflation set to rise dramaticaly over next four years.. earning to remain static or fall
3) end to child detention
really?
4) referendum on electoral reform
reform to suit themselves
5) plans for an elected house of Lords
Labour propsal
6) pupil premium for poorest children
what does that mean?
7) a deputy prime-minister willing to speak his mind over Iraq at the despatch box
and told to keep his gob shut in future
8) scrapping ID cards
Tory agenda
9) review of 28 day detention without charge
Tory propsal
10) no third runway at Heathrow
Tory proposal
11) High Speed Rail extended across country
Labour proposal
12) Banking Levy
Tories again
13) Capital gains tax raised to 28%
Tory
14) investment in cancer treatment particularly new cancer drugs
good
15) an end to LGBT asylum seekers being sent back to countries of origin where they risk being persecuted
laws already exsist
16) support for Ken Clarkes rehabilitation agenda in relation to prisons
eh?
17) renewing traditional ties with Commonwealth countries like India
uh?
18) plans for a gay marriage bill
19) Devolution in NHS, Education and police forces
Tory proposal
20) major investment in renewable energy and no public subsidy for nuclear
Tory
21) better benefit support for people that really need it
what kind of support? financial.. doubt it
more to come...
What happened to the pardon for illegals?...what happened to the extra funds for the NHS?..the Lib-Dems are going along with everything the Tories want..all for the price of a referendum and Clegg siting on the front bench... Tories in lib-Dem clothing!
Suicide one hopefully....
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Yes. Although to be fair they have changed over the years; they used to at least have consistent policies from month to month, and people who have supported them for a long time might not have realised they'd changed. People who voted Lib Dem in the last election as a move away from NL don't really have that excuse though.
Steel Icarus
we move
I hope Clegg has a terrible headache from grabbing his ankles so much lately.
Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
If all the Lib Dems in the country were executed tomorrow, no-one would care.
Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
neutral teuchter is neutral.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
To all intents and purposes, the 'libdems' do not exist any more.
the button
out on the kocker
little_legs
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on sunday, dawn butler said something like: the lib dems are good because they've allowed a closeted tory to come out and they haven't expelled him.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
They have achieved the seemingly impossible – to be part of government yet have no power.
Prime Minister, Chancellor, Foreign sec, Home sec, Defence sec, Education sec, Health sec, social security sec
All Tory.
Deputy PM (meaningless position, does what he is told), Secretary to the treasury (deputy to Chancellor, so does what they are told), Business sec (more or less apolitical position), Secretary for Scotland (lol, utterly meaningless since devolution – what does he actually do?)
All 'libdem'.
They have not managed to take one meaningful position, say Home sec, and say 'right, in this area, we're following the "libdem" agenda'.
Useless, greedy cunts.
Prime Minister, Chancellor, Foreign sec, Home sec, Defence sec, Education sec, Health sec, social security sec
All Tory.
Deputy PM (meaningless position, does what he is told), Secretary to the treasury (deputy to Chancellor, so does what they are told), Business sec (more or less apolitical position), Secretary for Scotland (lol, utterly meaningless since devolution – what does he actually do?)
All 'libdem'.
They have not managed to take one meaningful position, say Home sec, and say 'right, in this area, we're following the "libdem" agenda'.
Useless, greedy cunts.
little_legs
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my picks are sarah tether who woks for i-look-like-a-child-molester gove and chris hunhe. you look at them, and you wonder 'who the fuck's voted for you?'
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Um...
No.
He ran in the 4x100 relay team that finished fourth in the 64 Olympics and reached the second round of the 200m, finishing sixth.
He was a good sprinter at UK level, but not at world level.
Nonetheless thats what he was known as.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
To whom, his mum?
Don't believe the hype with Menzies C. He was a decent sprinter who competed in the Olympics. No more than that.
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