Why the Green Party is shit

[butchersapron]

correction, the membership was up 45% in 2014 by the end of October rather than doubled.

Excellent - is there any field in which you'rte not a meddling expert?

Are you a member? What do you base your estimation of their views on? Guilt?

 

[Trendy Lefty]

Yeah a lot of their new voters will be the same divs who voted Libdem in 2010

I voted Lib Dem in the last election because of their promise with their tuition fees.

Boy did they betray me! My vote will go to Labour or the Greens this time.

 

[J Ed]

bear grylls

Drinking your own piss is a little bit ecosocialism

 

[J Ed]

I voted Lib Dem in the last election because of their promise with their tuition fees.

Boy did they betray me! My vote will go to Labour or the Greens this time.

Obvious troll

 

[butchersapron]

Drinking your own piss is a little bit ecosocialism

Drinking someone else's piss is a little bit lib-dem. Never cross the streams.

 

[Trendy Lefty]

Obvious troll

No troll. Just posting a thing called an opinion. I know it's a new word to you.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Drinking someone else's piss is a little bit lib-dem. Never cross the streams.

clear yellow water

 

[rekil]

Obvious troll

lletsaaaaa

 

[killer b]

not lletsa. not interesting enough.

 

[butchersapron]

No chance

 

[free spirit]

Excellent - is there any field in which you'rte not a meddling expert?

lol says you.

Are you a member? What do you base your estimation of their views on? Guilt?

no, I used this new fangled thing called google to double check the figures.

What estimate of who's views? I came on the thread to ask the question as I'm not sure who's making up this upsurge in members. I suspect that they're mainly left leaning, but that's just my suspicion, hence asking the question.

 

[brogdale]

I voted Lib Dem in the last election .

Constituency?

 

[butchersapron]

lol says you.


no, I used this new fangled thing called google to double check the figures.

What estimate of who's views? I came on the thread to ask the question as I'm not sure who's making up this upsurge in members. I suspect that they're mainly left leaning, but that's just my suspicion, hence asking the question.

Your estimate of what new green party members views are. You stated that they were left-wing anti-austerity pretty much as as fact. I asked you the question why you came up with that figure. Your reply is that you were just asking if they were.

Anyway, the fault clearly lies with people who failed to vote lib-dem and who failed to do what the lib-dem voters who don't now want to vote lib-dem want to do now and what one lib-dem voter thinks means establish a UK syrizia for him. Whilst he and the people like him show no inclination to do a damn thing but vote labour or green. Never mind get involved in setting up a new party and all that work.

 

[ferrelhadley]

I'm not sure who's making up this upsurge in members. I suspect that they're mainly left leaning, but that's just my suspicion,

Big jump in membership in Scotland over indy ref. Generally left wing pro indy types. The Greens were the only party other than the SNP to be pro indy.

 

[Pickman's model]

I voted Lib Dem in the last election because of their promise with their tuition fees.

Boy did they betray me! My vote will go to Labour or the Greens this time.

giving them a chance to betray you this time i see. when will you give the tories the chance to betray you - or have you already done that?

 

[butchersapron]

Big jump in membership in Scotland over indy ref. Generally left wing pro indy types. The Greens were the only party other than the SNP to be pro indy.

Different party. And lots of left-wingers supported no.

 

[SpineyNorman]

No, just the purple loon element of it.

Someone please post the one with the 'power to the liberal intelligentsia' ginger bloke in it

 

[Pickman's model]

clear yellow water

it's the closest either party will get to moscow gold.

 

[butchersapron]

Someone please post the one with the 'power to the liberal intelligentsia' ginger bloke in it

 

[free spirit]

Your estimate of what new green party members views are. You stated that they were left-wing anti-austerity pretty much as as fact.

did I really?

The thing with that red pepper article is that it's 3 years old. The Green Party membership has apparently doubled in the last year or so, and I'd expect that most of those new members are pretty left wing or at least anti-austerity, so to my mind this ought to have changed the picture within the party from the 2011 version.

My previous flirtations with the green party weren't good, and Brighton had really put me off, but looking at the options now I would really be interested to hear about what the green party is like now after this influx of members, which direction they're moving the party in etc as they're looking like the most credible alternative to the neoliberalist / austerity parties in most of the country on the surface at least.

Brighton's a worrying example of them in power, but what lessons if any have they learned from it, is it still the same party as it wasin 2011, has it changed further to the right / left since etc.

Those are the sorts of questions someone like AuntiStella could help answer, and IMO they're quite important questions as there seem to be quite a lot of people on the left who're switching support to the greens, or talking about it, but once bitten twice shy and all that.

Genuine questions, I don't know the answers to them. If there is now a genuine left wing majority in the party then that would give me a bit more confidence that they would be less likely to do a lib dems / brighton if they did get anywhere (although the lib dem stuff also shows that the member's vote isn't that important when it comes to coalitions as the leader apparently thinks that gives them the right to ignore all the policies the party members had previously voted on.)

I'm pretty much lost as to who to vote for at the next election at the moment.

'I'd expect' prefacing a sentence does not indicate that this sentence should be taken as a statement of fact.

I don't know how much more fucking obvious I could make it that I'm specifically not stating this as fact, but putting out what I think the case is likely to be, and asking for further information to confirm or refute that.

 

[butchersapron]

did I really?



'I'd expect' prefacing a sentence does not indicate that this sentence should be taken as a statement of fact.

I don't know how much more fucking obvious I could make it that I'm specifically not stating this as fact, but putting out what I think the case is likely to be, and asking for further information to confirm or refute that.

And i'm asking you to outline the reasons that you have used to come to your expectations above. What you think is 'likely'.

 

[free spirit]

Big jump in membership in Scotland over indy ref. Generally left wing pro indy types. The Greens were the only party other than the SNP to be pro indy.

thanks, I was intending to make that point as well, but seem to have been way laid by the usual divvies.

 

[killer b]

that's just beautiful.

 

[butchersapron]

thanks, I was intending to make that point as well, but seem to have been way laid by the usual divvies.

The greens on here tonight = wow, don't like being questioned when not prepared.

 

[Trendy Lefty]

giving them a chance to betray you this time i see. when will you give the tories the chance to betray you - or have you already done that?

I would never vote Tory!

 

[Pickman's model]

I would never vote Tory!

a likely story.

 

[Trendy Lefty]

a likely story.

Okay dear.

 

[free spirit]

And i'm asking you to outline the reasons that you have used to come to your expectations above. What you think is 'likely'.

They've been running regular anti-austerity, anti TTIP type posts on facebook, pushing left wing policies etc. so it stands to reason that those who're joining are doing so in response to this line of campaigning rather than due to their record in Brighton.

Also, anecdotally, all those I know who've publicly supported them in the council elections etc have done it from a left perspective. The likes of Another Angry Voice has been pushing the green party quite heavily from a left perspective, and is fairly influential with the facebook generation etc.

And the reports from scotland that Ferrel mentioned.

But I'm aware that my experience isn't necessarily indicative of the overall situation, and it's entirely possible they're tailoring facebook adverts to different audiences or something, so wanted to verify this.

 

[brogdale]

I would never vote Tory!

You have done already. Which constituency?

 

[Trendy Lefty]

You have done already. Which constituency?

Cheshire West and Chester. I certainly didn't vote for this coalition!