Why the Green Party is shit

[J Ed]

Also, anecdotally, all those I know who've publicly supported them in the council elections etc have done it from a left perspective. The likes of Another Angry Voice has been pushing the green party quite heavily from a left perspective, and is fairly influential with the facebook generation etc.

AAV is also pro-EU but anti-TTIP

 

[Pickman's model]

Okay dear.

i don't see why you're so dismissive of the notion, having found it in you to once vote lib dem and having no obvious ideological objection to voting for neoliberal parties.

 

[Pickman's model]

Cheshire West and Chester. I certainly didn't vote for this coalition!

you seem to have voted for one part of it. and once the vote is in the ballot box it's out of your hands.

 

[butchersapron]

They've been running regular anti-austerity, anti TTIP type posts on facebook, pushing left wing policies etc. so it stands to reason that those who're joining are doing so in response to this line of campaigning rather than due to their record in Brighton.

Also, anecdotally, all those I know who've publicly supported them in the council elections etc have done it from a left perspective. The likes of Another Angry Voice has been pushing the green party quite heavily from a left perspective, and is fairly influential with the facebook generation etc.

And the reports from scotland that Ferrel mentioned.

But I'm aware that my experience isn't necessarily indicative of the overall situation, and it's entirely possible they're tailoring facebook adverts to different audiences or something, so wanted to verify this.

Fair enough, but you simply didn't use this thread to verify - you already took it for read that this was the case and used that assumption as a jump off. You didn't need or wait for verification. I outlined what the case is here- which is after defence of brighton probably the #2 green target area.

 

[brogdale]

Cheshire West and Chester. I certainly didn't vote for this coalition!

That's not a parliamentary constituency, is it?

 

[butchersapron]

Cheshire West and Chester. I certainly didn't vote for this coalition!

Nonesuch

 

[J Ed]

AAV is also pro-EU but anti-TTIP

Much better

 

[Trendy Lefty]

Weaver Vale

 

[SpineyNorman]

Okay dear.

do you have a blog or newsletter i could subscribe to please

 

[killer b]

Weaver Vale

mornington crescent.

 

[Pickman's model]

do you have a blog or newsletter i could subscribe to please

you're a glutton for punishment

 

[SpineyNorman]

good work sir

 

[brogdale]

Weaver Vale

You mean the Weaver vale where just over 8k of you voted LD to allow the vermin to beat Lab by less that 1k.

You dumb fucker.

 

[Trendy Lefty]

You mean the Weaver vale where just over 8k of you voted LD to allow the vermin to beat Lab by less that 1k.

You dumb fucker.

Lib Dem was an attractive vote at the time. They seemed like an alternative to the main two parties, now they're just another one of the Westminster elite who have colluded with the Tories to inflict some horrific polices on the most vulnerable.

 

[free spirit]

Fair enough, but you simply didn't use this thread to verify - you already took it for read that this was the case and used that assumption as a jump off. You didn't need or wait for verification. I outlined what the case is here- which is after defence of brighton probably the #2 green target area.

I posted my opinion in response to someone elses post of a 3 year old opinion piece which mentioned that the anti-austerity party of the green party had lost a key internal vote on the policy to refuse to co-operate with austerity policies by 3 votes.

I thought it pretty relevant to point out that the greens had had a big influx of new members, and that if that influx was majority anti-austerity, then the situation within the party now is likely to be significantly different to the situation in 2011 when the author of that article left the party.

IMO it's likely that this is the case, but it is just my opinion, not a statement of fact, and I'm specifically seeking any evidence either way to find out what the situation actually is. So far Urban's responded with little other than pointless sniping, as per fucking usual.

 

[butchersapron]

You didn't say if, you said that you expect that it was the case - and quite clearly didn't expect any dissent.

We're all shit, just ignore us.

 

[Trendy Lefty]

i don't see why you're so dismissive of the notion, having found it in you to once vote lib dem and having no obvious ideological objection to voting for neoliberal parties.

I'm a social liberal - so what? As another posted has alluded to, why all the sniping?

 

[butchersapron]

Lib Dem was an attractive vote at the time. They seemed like an alternative to the main two parties, now they're just another one of the Westminster elite who have colluded with the Tories to inflict some horrific polices on the most vulnerable.

You lie - they were never going to win in the seat that you say you live in. What was attractive - the fact they couldn't win? That your vote is lost?

 

[Pickman's model]

I posted my opinion in response to someone elses post of a 3 year old opinion piece which mentioned that the anti-austerity party of the green party had lost a key internal vote on the policy to refuse to co-operate with austerity policies by 3 votes.

I thought it pretty relevant to point out that the greens had had a big influx of new members, and that if that influx was majority anti-austerity, then the situation within the party now is likely to be significantly different to the situation in 2011 when the author of that article left the party.

IMO it's likely that this is the case, but it is just my opinion, not a statement of fact, and I'm specifically seeking any evidence either way to find out what the situation actually is. So far Urban's responded with little other than pointless sniping, as per fucking usual.

out of curiosity how many people have left the green party in the same period?

 

[brogdale]

I'm a social liberal - so what? As another posted has alluded to, why all the sniping?

you vote LD in a Con/Lab marginal constituency and express surprise at sniping?

 

[killer b]

here's some pointless sniping for you.

unfortunately the left in this country are incapable of actually getting it together to give them a credible option to vote for... a bunch of holier than thou lefties who'd prefer to snipe at them all perpetually for not being as ideologically perfect as them, than actually do something positive with the fact that there were a significant block of left of centre votes up for grabs after the lib dems went into coalition and lost them.

pompous twat.

 

[Trendy Lefty]

You lie - they were never going to win in the seat that you say you live in. What was attractive - the fact they couldn't win? That your vote is lost?

I made my vote and voted for the party I felt would serve me best at the time - something I and every other person registered to vote has every right to do. We live in a democracy.

As I've previously posted, I voted for the Lib Dems, like a lot of other students at the time, because of their promise with the tuition fees.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm a social liberal - so what? As another posted has alluded to, why all the sniping?

i don't think you can really call yourself a social liberal if you can consider voting for a party famous for waging aggressive war.

and it wasn't just abroad they were less than liberal, you'll recall their liberal scheme for id cards - which the current coalition scrapped.

 

[butchersapron]

I made my vote and voted for the party I felt would serve me best at the time - something I and every other person registered to vote has every right to do. We live in a democracy.

As I've previously posted, I voted for the Lib Dems, like a lot of other students at the time, because of their promise with the tuition fees.

Where were you studying? Did you graduate?

 

[free spirit]

out of curiosity how many people have left the green party in the same period?

not sure, the numbers look to be total increases in membership, but I could be wrong. Membership is reported to have risen above 20,000 from 13,800 at the end of 2013.

Looks like the majority of that could be coming from scotland though.

The details, contained within a press release from the UK Green Party show that membership of the party north of the border has increased from 1,200 on 1st January to 7,500 today – an increase of 625 per cent.

 

[Pickman's model]

I made my vote and voted for the party I felt would serve me best at the time - something I and every other person registered to vote has every right to do. We live in a democracy.

As I've previously posted, I voted for the Lib Dems, like a lot of other students at the time, because of their promise with the tuition fees.

no, we don't.

if we live in a democracy, why do the armed forces and police swear allegiance to an unelected woman?

 

[J Ed]

i don't think you can really call yourself a social liberal if you can consider voting for a party famous for waging aggressive war.

The whole idea of an 'economic conservative social liberal' is a big joke anyway. Yeah, I like gays, blacks, women etc as long as they aren't poor and if they are then fuck them, also if a disproportionate number of them are poor it's probably their fault so fuck them.

 

[Pickman's model]

not sure, the numbers look to be total increases in membership, but I could be wrong. Membership is reported to have risen above 20,000 from 13,800 at the end of 2013.

Looks like the majority of that could be coming from scotland though.

yes, increases in membership: but people leave political parties, sometimes in great numbers (e.g. bnp, labour) and sometimes rises in membership can disguise great turnover in membership, as happened with the bnp for some years.

 

[Pickman's model]

The whole idea of an 'economic conservative social liberal' is a big joke anyway. Yeah, I like gays, blacks, women etc as long as they aren't poor and if they are then fuck them, also if a disproportionate number of them are poor it's probably their fault so fuck them.

 

[free spirit]

here's some pointless sniping for you.

the cap fits though doesn't it. Just look at the last few pages to see exactly what I'm talking about.