butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Which is,as i noted earlier, a different party altogther.
Why the Green Party is shit
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Trendy Lefty
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Yes, I did and I have no reason to tell you what I was studying or where I did. Love how I'm getting interrogated for posting an opinion and for expressing my democratic right to vote in an election.
Expected more of a welcome on here if I'm being honest. Not the most inviting place.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's an initiation ritual. we've all been through it. and in all honesty you're getting an easier ride than a lot of people.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
you see, if I were an actual member I'd know that sort of thing.
Now you mention it, I did now what, but had forgotten.
So ok the green party south of the border has also had a 6-7k increase in membership.
Trendy Lefty
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Not a fan of an unelected head of state myself, but like all systems, democracy isn't perfect but IMO it's the best we have.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
For who?
Trendy Lefty
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For the political and business elite mainly, but at least we get some say, however limited.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i would be interested to know what definition of democracy you're working from.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You will be come may - delivering last minute leaflets, posters etc
You see calls for ideological purity on this thread? When you were campaigning for the lib dems in 2010, were the people telling you then that you were making a mistake doing that too?
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
in that case it's not a democracy
democracy being - as the word suggests - rule by the people. the term you're looking for is oligarchy.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
no idea then, I don't know where I'd be able to find those numbers.
If there were significant numbers leaving as well, then that'd make it even more likely to be a different composition now than in 2011.
Trendy Lefty
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in that case it's not a democracy
Constitutional monarchy?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
in future he should preface any political activity with the words 'as someone who once campaigned for the lib dems i know what it's like to make a mistake. and i'm probably making a mistake here too.'
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think it's a safe bet that if you're a student you're not studying politics.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Is that how it works though? You just get enough people to vote for a suitably left wing party and things change?
I'm just trying to think through how that's meant to work in the context of the example I mentioned a couple of pages back, where you've elected some councillors and they have to decide whether to try to get the least-worst compromise on an austerity budget or dig in for a proper fight with central government by refusing to pass an austerity budget, with all the risks to services that that entails.
It seems to me that for the second option (or any real challenge to the neo-liberal TINA consensus) to be realistic you need something better than a bunch of disillusioned floating voters who've drifted away from the Lib-Dems or nuLabour.
You need committed support from a section of the community who have a clear view of where their interests lie, how picking that fight is potentially going to further them, what's at stake and what the risks are etc.
I'm just trying to think through how that's meant to work in the context of the example I mentioned a couple of pages back, where you've elected some councillors and they have to decide whether to try to get the least-worst compromise on an austerity budget or dig in for a proper fight with central government by refusing to pass an austerity budget, with all the risks to services that that entails.
It seems to me that for the second option (or any real challenge to the neo-liberal TINA consensus) to be realistic you need something better than a bunch of disillusioned floating voters who've drifted away from the Lib-Dems or nuLabour.
You need committed support from a section of the community who have a clear view of where their interests lie, how picking that fight is potentially going to further them, what's at stake and what the risks are etc.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
+contacts/networks/communication +chance of spreed though similarity of conditions. That's exactly how we did the poll tax. Hope lies outside the town halls.
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Trendy Lefty
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Both.
But we live in a constitutional monarchy, not an oligarchy.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Sure but it doesn't seem to me that having representation the town halls is a totally bad thing, just so long as it is actually expressing the interests of a politically conscious mass of people of which it's an organic part, rather than being arbitrarily picked by bunch of floating voters who think democracy is some sort of shopping between 'brands' ...
You call yourself trendy lefty and come to a message board dominated by senior HR managers, management consultants, landlords, Tories, and business owners and run by a freelance Daily Telegraph photographer and expect a warm welcome?
Trendy Lefty
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We don't live in a oligarchy. We live in a constitutional monarchy, which is again different from an absolute monarchy.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tell you what, if people standing for election had to be branded each time they stood you'd see far fewer of them doing it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
ok then. give me a link to the constitution.
For real? A minority of the populace pin the tail on the donkey once every five years and the declared winner has free reign to not do anything they promised once at the levers of power. That's democracy?
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