Why do you want to shut down McDonalds?

[littlebabyjesus]

Because they're cow torturing offal merchants

What's wrong with offal? Some of my favourite meat things are offal. If you're going to kill an animal to eat it, bit disrespectful not to eat all of it.

Probably said this earlier in the thread, but animal welfare isn't a reason to be anti-McDonald's in particular, in Britain at least. British beef, rspca assured pork (not free range, but top 50 percent wrt welfare) and free range eggs. Their animal welfare standards are higher than your average restaurant.

You're on stronger ground over how they treat their humans.

 

[editor]

Probably said this earlier in the thread, but animal welfare isn't a reason to be anti-McDonald's in particular, in Britain at least.

Really?

McDonald’s has shown a lack of progress in stopping the use of fast-growing meat chickens.

These chickens are born to suffer.

They are genetically selected to grow so fast, their legs often buckle under their own body weight. And they can suffer from a range of severe leg, heart and lung problems, as well as other illnesses.

Also, McDonald’s still hasn’t committed to giving its chickens enough space to move around and behave more naturally.

McDonald’s far from perfect on animal welfare - but beats rivals

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Well, you also have to condemn a bunch of other places that are even worse is the point, not that McDonald's is good. That was the meaning of the 'in particular'. Perhaps that wasn't clear. Condemn the animal welfare standards of restaurants by all means, but singling out McDonald's doesn't really make sense.

 

[editor]

Well, you also have to condemn a bunch of other places that are even worse is the point, not that McDonald's is good.

I think you'll find I'm quite at liberty to criticise the shitty practices of one particular company seeing as I'm doing so in a thead solely dedicated to them.

 

[Yossarian]

McDonald's is both shitty on animal welfare and better than most restaurants on animal welfare, according to that report - I think it still makes sense to target them in particular on the issue - as the biggest (or at least top three) fast food chain, the changes they make have more effect on the whole supply chain.

 

[8ball]

I think you'll find I'm quite at liberty to criticise the shitty practices of one particular company seeing as I'm doing so in a thead solely dedicated to them.

Yeah, but if you’re singling out a company that does a lot better than the average then you’re prone to being accused of a bit of blind bandwagon-jumping.

 

[8ball]

McDonald's is both shitty on animal welfare and better than most restaurants on animal welfare, according to that report - I think it still makes sense to target them in particular on the issue - as the biggest (or at least top three) fast food chain, the changes they make have more effect on the whole supply chain.

I guess there’s something to be said in that in that you could encourage them to be an industry leader. Not sure whether that’s what’s happening here..

 

[editor]

Yeah, but if you’re singling out a company that does a lot better than the average then you’re prone to being accused of a bit of blind bandwagon-jumping.

The thread has already singled them out. I've got lots of criticism of other companies too, but it's not the place for it, even if such scope-creep suits the McD defenders.

And "bandwagon jumping"? Jeez.

 

[editor]

McDonald's is both shitty on animal welfare and better than most restaurants on animal welfare, according to that report - I think it still makes sense to target them in particular on the issue - as the biggest (or at least top three) fast food chain, the changes they make have more effect on the whole supply chain.

Exactly. What would be the the point in having at go at Billy's Wee Chicken Shop in Arbroath or wherever?

 

[8ball]

And "bandwagon jumping"? Jeez.

If you could think of something better to do then I think you’d be doing it.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Attacking your local Chinese takeaway doesn't quite have the same appeal. McDonald's is the poster boy for shit food and the shitness of food culture, and that is very much deserved, but it pays to be accurate about this stuff. Refusing to go to McDonald's over welfare issues and opting for the greasy spoon next door that has rock-bottom animal welfare standards doesn't make much sense. I'm pretty sure a lot of people who might think of animal welfare wrt McDonald's don't think of it so much in other contexts, such as at their local curry house or a greasy spoon or a Chinese takeaway or a Wetherspoons beer and a burger deal.

 

[editor]

If you could think of something better to do then I think you’d be doing it.

You really should rethink your painfully boring tactic of going straight into ad hominems rather than arguing the topic. It's not a good look.

 

[editor]

Attacking your local Chinese takeaway doesn't quite have the same appeal. McDonald's is the poster boy for shit food and the shitness of food culture, and that is very much deserved, but it pays to be accurate about this stuff. Refusing to go to McDonald's over welfare issues and opting for the greasy spoon next door that has rock-bottom animal welfare standards doesn't make much sense. l.

It's got nothing to do with 'appeal,' whatever that means. Boycotting a tiny takeaway isn't going to change things for the better, but grouping together and targeting the big boys is far more likely to have an impact. And that's why the big boys are fair and worthy targets.

 

[8ball]

You really should rethink your painfully boring tactic of going straight into ad hominems rather than arguing the topic. It's not a good look.

It's not a good look when you start it. Self-awareness much?

But it's sweet that you have such faith in McDonald's to be a leading light to the industry. I'm sure they would be grateful for the favourable coverage.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's got nothing to do with 'appeal,' whatever that means. Boycotting a tiny takeaway isn't going to change things for the better, but grouping together and targeting the big boys is far more likely to have an impact. And that's why the big boys are fair and worthy targets.

Thing is the post I originally quoted characterised McDonald's as cow-torturing offal merchants. Setting aside the appalling slur on the underappreciated delights of various kinds of offal (I had a plate of liver and onions for tea tonight - cheap, nutritious and delicious), it's not accurate and it misses the point if you're trying to change things. Odd though that the purpose seems to be to get McDonald's to be better and set an example. To me that again misses the wider point to do with large monopolies and their effect on food culture, supply chains and worker rights.

 

[editor]

But it's sweet that you have such faith in McDonald's to be a leading light to the industry. I'm sure they would be grateful for the favourable coverage.

McDonalds are one of the biggest fast food restaurants in the world, so I've no idea what point it is you're trying to make. For the sake of this thread, please don't answer any of my posts or refer to anything I've written because I'm really bored with your personal digs and disruptive crap. Thanks.

 

[8ball]

McDonalds are one of the biggest fast food restaurants in the world, so I've no idea what point it is you're trying to make. For the sake of this thread, please don't answer any of my posts or refer to anything I've written because I'm really bored with your personal digs and disruptive crap. Thanks.

Is this what you do when anyone disagrees with you?

 

[editor]

Is this what you do when anyone disagrees with you?

You don't 'disagree' though. You go straight for the ad hominems, as evidenced above. Stop now.

 

[8ball]

You don't 'disagree' though. You go straight for the ad hominems, as evidenced above. Stop now.

You stop first.

 

[Humberto]

It's their land footprint in terms of pastureland and so on which is also questionable. Yes, if we can pressure them to clean up their act to some extent it would be a big bonus.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's their land footprint in terms of pastureland and so on which is also questionable.

Here in the UK? British McD's uses British/Irish beef only. How is their use of pastureland questionable compared to other purveyors of cow-based products? Irony is that you can go to an Argentinian steak house and eat something that is much worse for the environment and the cows thinking you're having a semi-posh meal. I think there's a fair bit of cognitive dissonance over this.

 

[8ball]

Here in the UK? British McD's uses British/Irish beef only. How is their use of pastureland questionable compared to other purveyors of cow-based products? Irony is that you can go to an Argentinian steak house and eat something that is much worse for the environment and the cows thinking you're having a semi-posh meal. I think there's a fair bit of cognitive dissonance over this.

I can kind of see how it's like the Nestle thing - go after the big boys first, but there's a brand value thing going on where there's a perceived anti-capitalist cred to be had where focusing on other businesses, many of them "local" doesn't garner the same bragging value.

 

[Spymaster]

The majority of the McD's detractors (especially on U75) are clueless agenda merchants, tbf. At best they're 10 years out of date.

 

[Humberto]

Here in the UK? British McD's uses British/Irish beef only. How is their use of pastureland questionable compared to other purveyors of cow-based products? Irony is that you can go to an Argentinian steak house and eat something that is much worse for the environment and the cows thinking you're having a semi-posh meal. I think there's a fair bit of cognitive dissonance over this.

Maybe less land dedicated to supplying McDonald's and more for - us. It belongs to us after all. We are basically facing a shitstorm at some point. Cattle in particular aren't part of the solution. Nor is the McDonald's demanding their produce in every high street.

 

[8ball]

The majority of the McD's detractors (especially on U75) are clueless agenda merchants, tbf. At best they're 10 years out of date.

Personally, I find it hard to see McD's as a force for good in the world. In terms of who you go for and what generates the most benefit, I think it's complicated.

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have made a lot of the changes they have done without all the scrutiny on them.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Maybe less land dedicated to supplying McDonald's and more for - us. It belongs to us after all. We are basically facing a shitstorm at some point. Cattle in particular aren't part of the solution. Nor is the McDonald's demanding their produce in every high street.

That doesn't really make much sense though. The land used to raise cows to be killed for McD's results in people here in the UK eating burgers. Your beef with them is surely more to do with food culture and the nature of large corporations than their land use per se. Far as I know there are no state-owned farms in the UK. The land hasn't belonged to 'us' for a very long time. When did the enclosures happen? Since then.

 

[Humberto]

That doesn't really make much sense though. The land used to raise cows to be killed for McD's results in people here in the UK eating burgers. Your beef with them is surely more to do with food culture and the nature of large corporations than their land use per se. Far as I know there are no state-owned farms in the UK. The land hasn't belonged to 'us' for a very long time. When did the enclosures happen? Since then.

Yes that's fair. But then the various churches and landed aristocracy can fuck off too. Not sure we disagree. Happy to be corrected.

We clearly need a drastic rethink. Perhaps this isn't the thread nor me the one to attempt it.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

But then the various churches and landed aristocracy can fuck off too.

On that we can most certainly agree. Thieving cunts.

 

[mojo pixy]

inb4

McDollars, McGreedy, McCancer, McMurder....
Parachuting McNuggets, it seems so much fun,
and the kids never see how the slaughter is done
happy hats and party games and a funny old clown,
and the plastic junk keeps getting forced down.....

McDeadly, McDisease, McProfits, McHunger.....
Cut their profit margin, cut it dead,
bring me a stick and on it Rons head,
try to make you stop by making others see,
multinational corporation, profits from misery...

McRipoff, McTorture, McWasteful, McGarbage....
Cut down acres of rain forest just to package the shit,
get the kids on their side, having fun they don't want to see it,
put adverts on telly, using gimmicks to make it seem unreal,
fast food seems fun until you realise its in death they deal.

 

[hash tag]

It is wrong, but on the other hand, perhaps she should be thanking them Woman on mobility scooter turned away from McDonald's drive-thru