Why do some feminists hate transgender people?

[trashpony]

Hmm. She's still more likely to be at risk in a men's prison than she is likely to be a predatory rapist if held in a controlled environment in a women's one, though. I guess. I suspect that HMPS is better able to make a call on all this than the combined weight of the Internets and of prurient hacks, and that it has done so, and would have done so in their absence. There wouldn't have been anything like the coverage if she wasn't so photogenic.

Let's hope you're right

 

[littlebabyjesus]

There wouldn't have been anything like the coverage if she wasn't so photogenic.

I'm sure this is true. However, I think you have a faith in the system that I don't share if you are confident that this decision would have been changed anyway. Courts and the prison service are both very bad at changing decisions, which is why, as linked to earlier, around 30 transwomen are being held in male prisons at any one time in the UK.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

trashpony - kind of surprised that the Adultwork profile didn't surface at all in the media coverage of this case. It's the sort of thing, surely, that tabloids would have loved. How did you encounter this, if I may ask? I assume you're not a regular browser of disintermediating pimpage platforms.

 

[Thora]

trashpony - kind of surprised that the Adultwork profile didn't surface at all in the media coverage of this case. It's the sort of thing, surely, that tabloids would have loved. How did you encounter this, if I may ask? I assume you're not a regular browser of disintermediating pimpage platforms.

I think there's lots linking her twitter account and adult work. I assume the press got the nude photos from there?

 

[elbows]

I think the media sometimes decide to treat trans stories more carefully these days, perhaps thats why they haven't gone for the sex worker angle in a big way (yet). Perhaps there were legal/justice reasons not to discuss some of her history before her appeal today, or just a cautious approach tied to the timing of that. Personally I suspect some of them were trying to hint at the fact via the range of raunchy pics they used unashamedly in articles.

 

[laptop]

And she's been moved. (Most unusual that she wasn't kept in tonight and woken at 5 to be moved?)

Transgender woman Tara Hudson moved to female prison - BBC News

The BBC understands she has now been taken to HM Prison Eastwood Park in South Gloucestershire.

Earlier, she lost an appeal against her sentence, but a judge asked for consideration to be made about where she serves her sentence.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

I think the media sometimes decide to treat trans stories more carefully these days, perhaps thats why they haven't gone for the sex worker angle in a big way (yet). Perhaps there were legal/justice reasons not to discuss some of her history before her appeal today, or just a cautious approach tied to the timing of that. Personally I suspect some of them were trying to hint at the fact via the range of raunchy pics they used unashamedly in articles.

Yes, that all makes sense.

 

[trashpony]

trashpony - kind of surprised that the Adultwork profile didn't surface at all in the media coverage of this case. It's the sort of thing, surely, that tabloids would have loved. How did you encounter this, if I may ask? I assume you're not a regular browser of disintermediating pimpage platforms.

So am I. Sloppy journalism is all I can think. She's linked to her adultwork profile in a recent tweet (I'm really not a very good investigator). Her 'handle' is tia x star (no spaces) - I'm not linking to her profile

ETA - or what elbows said.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So am I. Sloppy journalism is all I can think. She's linked to her adultwork profile in a recent tweet (I'm really not a very good investigator). Her 'handle' is tia x star (no spaces) - I'm not linking to her profile
.

I understand your concerns after reading that.

 

[laptop]

disintermediating pimpage platform

Whose tagline is this going to be?

(Ooops. Thread NOT going Urbanz way. No.)

 

[Thora]

I understand your concerns after reading that.

Does it make a difference that she is a sex worker?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Does it make a difference that she is a sex worker?

No. But it does make a difference that she boasts of maintaining an erection. (I am taking it seriously when people post their concerns about that.) Still doesn't mean she wouldn't be in a whole heap of shit in a male prison.

 

[trashpony]

No. But it does make a difference that she boasts of maintaining an erection. (I am taking it seriously when people post their concerns about that.) Still doesn't mean she wouldn't be in a whole heap of shit in a male prison.

I would hope the prison service would keep her safe. In the same way as I now hope they keep her female cell mates safe from her tendency to violently assault people (leaving aside her fully functional 7 inch cock)

 

[Maurice Picarda]

I was wondering whether Hudson should have had her own thread. On the other hand, perhaps it's much more relevant and important when talking about "women's only spaces" and "safe spaces" and all the rest of it, to think about places where women are compulsorily locked up, rather than niche conferences and web forums and the like.

It's definitely relevant to a discussion about women's safety that Hudson is not only violent but has a functioning cock, in a way that it wouldn't be if we were arguing the toss over campus politics.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I would hope the prison service would keep her safe.

The prison service does not have a good record of keeping people safe in prison. In particular transgender people. This RT article quotes a recent report from the Howard League.

The Prison and Probation Ombudsman (PPO) told the commission that the prevalence of sexual abuse was “a hidden issue in a hidden world,” adding that staff did not always take complaints of rape seriously, leaving the levels of abuse largely underreported.

In other words, don't rely on the screws giving a shit.

 

[Sirena]

Yeah, totally. She'll be the hardest fuck there whatever prison she's sent to, what with her conviction for common assault.

Way back in the days when the Charing Cross Hospital gender unit was the only such unit outside (probably) of the USA, the psychiatrist was Dr JB Randell. No-one could come to the surgeon except through him.

And he had a trick that he tried at least once on every m-f transsexual. He tried to goad them, provoke them, to anger, to see what they would do. If they responded violently or stormed out, their case was doomed. If they burst into tears, that was OK.

It may seem primitive but that's how it was.

It made me wonder whether Ms Hudson has not progressed with her surgery because every psych finds her to be a violent nutter.....

 

[Maurice Picarda]

It made me wonder whether Ms Hudson has not progressed with her surgery because every psych finds her to be a violent nutter.....

Or, perhaps, because she is making a good living out of having a working knob? She says scornful things on her adultwork pages about competitors who lack her versatility and ability to switch.

This does look rather like a successful media manipulation campaign from someone who has been rather disingenuous. And when you look at the press coverage less sympathetically, there are some unpleasant things about it. It has suggested, rather, that Hudson is particularly vulnerable to rape because she is a looker - as if rape is something that men are vulnerable to committing when faced with prettiness, an aesthetic response rather than a violent one.

 

[D'wards]

Wherever she serves her time she'll have to go on Rule 43 segregation I think. She has a long history of violence so will either be in danger or a danger.
In my experience of the justice system, the more violent and longer a record you have the less of a fuck the authorities give about you, so if it wasn't for the petition she would have stayed in a men's prison

 

[bi0boy]

I was wondering whether Hudson should have had her own thread. On the other hand, perhaps it's much more relevant and important when talking about "women's only spaces" and "safe spaces" and all the rest of it, to think about places where women are compulsorily locked up, rather than niche conferences and web forums and the like.

It's definitely relevant to a discussion about women's safety that Hudson is not only violent but has a functioning cock, in a way that it wouldn't be if we were arguing the toss over campus politics.

Is it really relevant to discuss her genitals? Women get sexually assaulted in women's prisons including being violated with physical objects. There is no evidence this women is more likely to be a threat than any other prisoner in a women's prison.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Is it really relevant to discuss her genitals? Women get sexually assaulted in women's prisons including being violated with physical objects. There is no evidence this women is more likely to be a threat than any other prisoner in a women's prison.

It's relevant to the extent that other women feel sexually threatened by her, surely?

 

[trashpony]

I was wondering whether Hudson should have had her own thread. On the other hand, perhaps it's much more relevant and important when talking about "women's only spaces" and "safe spaces" and all the rest of it, to think about places where women are compulsorily locked up, rather than niche conferences and web forums and the like.

It's definitely relevant to a discussion about women's safety that Hudson is not only violent but has a functioning cock, in a way that it wouldn't be if we were arguing the toss over campus politics.

I think it belongs on this thread. None of this stuff is simple. Hudson hasn't done women any favours - whether they're trans or cis

 

[bi0boy]

It's relevant to the extent that other women feel sexually threatened by her, surely?

Do they?

 

[trashpony]

Is it really relevant to discuss her genitals? Women get sexually assaulted in women's prisons including being violated with physical objects. There is no evidence this women is more likely to be a threat than any other prisoner in a women's prison.

Why don't we have mixed prisons then?

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Do they?

I'm not saying that they do, I'm saying it's reasonable to assume that they might.

 

[bi0boy]

Why don't we have mixed prisons then?

How is that relevant? She is not a man.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

How is that relevant? She is not a man.

Would you really say to a woman who didn't want to be forced to shower with a naked cock owner that she was being transphobic? That's the thing - this is very different from a dispute over the right to participate in voluntary spaces.

 

[toggle]

Way back in the days when the Charing Cross Hospital gender unit was the only such unit outside (probably) of the USA, the psychiatrist was Dr JB Randell. No-one could come to the surgeon except through him.

And he had a trick that he tried at least once on every m-f transsexual. He tried to goad them, provoke them, to anger, to see what they would do. If they responded violently or stormed out, their case was doomed. If they burst into tears, that was OK.

It may seem primitive but that's how it was.

It made me wonder whether Ms Hudson has not progressed with her surgery because every psych finds her to be a violent nutter.....

reminds me how far we needed to come when anger was considered so unacceptable for a woman.

oh, what was that article i read last week?



but she's obviously confident, attractive and looks female and has a cock. and talks about sex a lot. im not having to jump too far to see how many people will see her as a target for abuse.

we can see convictions for assault as someone who is dangerous, or consider the other possibilities in light of cases such as cece mcdonald. too much blustering to know.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think it belongs on this thread. None of this stuff is simple. Hudson hasn't done women any favours - whether they're trans or cis

I agree that this is not simple. Far from it. But I'm reluctant to judge Tara Hudson the person for that. If her website is to be believed, she revels in her ambiguity - and why not? Still doesn't mean she wouldn't be fucked in a men's prison.

 

[bi0boy]

Would you really say to a woman who didn't want to be forced to shower with a naked cock owner that she was being transphobic? That's the thing - this is very different from a dispute over the right to participate in voluntary spaces.

Are they planning on forcing women to shower with "a naked cock owner" then?

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Are they planning on forcing women to shower with "a naked cock owner" then?

Why the facepalm? Prisons, as far as I know, have fairly primitive - and communal - shower facilities. It's why they do so badly on tripadvisor.