Who will be the next Labour leader?

[fakeplasticgirl]

Why not from London, if that happens to be where the best candidate is from? Bozo is from London and that hasn’t stopped him taking northern seats.

The leader before corbyn wasn’t from London and he didn’t do very well either as I recall...

 

[oryx]

Why not from London, if it happens that that is where the best candidate is from? Bozo is from London and that hasn’t stopped him taking northern seats.

The leader before corbyn wasn’t from London and he didn’t do very well either as I recall...

I agree with your first sentence but Ed Milliband was from London (although his seat was in the north).

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

I agree with your first sentence but Ed Milliband was from London (although his seat was in the north).

Fair enough, I meant where the seat was based rather than where the MP grew up.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Alf

 

[kebabking]

Why not from London, if it happens that that is where the best candidate is from? Bozo is from London and that hasn’t stopped him taking northern seats.

The leader before corbyn wasn’t from London and he didn’t do very well either as I recall...

cultural/identity thing - if the prime focus for a new leader is to make up with the midlands/northern working class, who walked away because london-centric, remainy politicians stopped listening to them, then it would help enormously if the new leader were not from that exact same london-centric remainy stable.

pretty much the entire senior leadership of new Labour had seats in the north - Blair, Mandleson etc.. but that made little difference to their london-centric attitudes.

some sackcloth and ashes are required.

 

[oryx]

cultural/identity thing - if the prime focus for a new leader is to make up with the midlands/northern working class, who walked away because london-centric, remainy politicians stopped listening to them, then it would help enormously if the new leader were not from that exact same london-centric remainy stable.

But as fakeplasticgirl pointed out, Johnson was/is popular in the north and midlands and you can't get a much more London/South-centric/privileged fucker than that sack of old Etonian, faux Churchillian shite.

It's about positions on Brexit, not geography.

 

[kebabking]

But as fakeplasticgirl pointed out, Johnson was/is popular in the north and midlands and you can't get a much more London/South-centric/privileged fucker than that sack of old Etonian, faux Churchillian shite.

It's about positions on Brexit, not geography.

you miss the point, Johnson can be southern and privilaged because he listened to them, Labour however have to go through this sackcloth and ashes routine purely because they didn't listen to them.

have you never tried to repair a relationship before? its hamming it up, being a bit ott, sackcloth and ashes, paying huge amounts of attention, showing them that they matter, that you really want to be with them. its not a return to business as usual with some minor tweaks and an apology.

 

[belboid]

She was the rebecca long-bailey or laura pidcock of the miliband era, pumped up as a future leader, owen jones wanted her on the ballot in 2015 as a soft left compromise the left could work with instead of standing its own candidate.

she's the ed miliband for our generation. got the right voice, wont scare the bosses too much. a move back to the right

 

[tedsplitter]

Angela Rayner, man. She would tear lumps out of Johnson and co.

 

[Part-timah]

Angela Rayner, man. She would tear lumps out of Johnson and co.

She seems the only viable option out of the obvious.

 

[oryx]

you miss the point, Johnson can be southern and privilaged because he listened to them, Labour however have to go through this sackcloth and ashes routine purely because they didn't listen to them.

have you never tried to repair a relationship before? its hamming it up, being a bit ott, sackcloth and ashes, paying huge amounts of attention, showing them that they matter, that you really want to be with them. its not a return to business as usual with some minor tweaks and an apology.

No, I think you've missed the point - the point AFAICS was about where a potential leader comes from and not whether they (supposedly) listened to people or not.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I'll get a vote through my union and at this point from the likely candidates I'd go rayner, not exactly enthusiastically as it stands tbh, more lack of alternatives. Who knows though, maybe as time goes on and things become clearer that will become more enthusiastic (or change) or it might be such a shitshow I don't bother and get round to opting out of political levy (I always meant to pre '15)

 

[Proper Tidy]

No, I think you've missed the point - the point AFAICS was about where a potential leader comes from and not whether they (supposedly) listened to people or not.

It's not the most important thing in isolation, a candidate that ticked other boxes - leave or at least accepting of result, able to communicate with and listen to working class constituency etc - who represented a london constituency wouldn't be a poor choice because of the latter. But in this case we are taking about starmer so being a london MP (for a mostly posh central london constituency) is basically a full house of bad fucking idea

 

[oryx]

It's not the most important thing in isolation, a candidate that ticked other boxes - leave or at least accepting of result, able to communicate with and listen to working class constituency etc - who represented a london constituency wouldn't be a poor choice because of the latter. But in this case we are taking about starmer so being a london MP (for a mostly posh central london constituency) is basically a full house of bad fucking idea

But that wouldn't be due to Starmer being from London per se, it would be about Starmer's position on Brexit and his communication abilities. I wasn't aware that this particular part of this debate was around Starmer TBH.

And if Johnson is able to listen to and communicate with w/c people I'm a giraffe. He hides from them!

 

[tim]

Yvette Cooper must stand a good chance. She's a very competent public performer; represents a Northern constituency, is untainted by links with Corbyn and female.

 

[Proper Tidy]

But that wouldn't be due to Starmer being from London per se, it would be about Starmer's position on Brexit and his communication abilities. I wasn't aware that this particular part of this debate was around Starmer TBH.

And if Johnson is able to listen to and communicate with w/c people I'm a giraffe. He hides from them!

Johnson won't remain popular obviously, tbh not convinced he's popular now outside of a minority. He campaigned, before and after becoming PM, on a position of leaving the EU come what may, that's what worked. But we're taking about what labour will have to do to win back alienated support not what the tories did to win the GE, and the criticisms made of labour in those areas were - brexit; corbyn as an individual; labour too london and out of touch beyond that; we've always voted labour and what has it delivered for us. As I said, being a london MP not in isolation the problem but when added to other factors it is.

Think this particular debate cul de sac started from me calling starmer a posh london MP fwiw.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Yvette Cooper must stand a good chance. She's a very competent public performer; represents a Northern constituency, is untainted by links with Corbyn and female.

And with zero chance of being elected by the membership on account of being a blairite

 

[Wilf]

That's some of it. She lied about telling Abbott to 'fuck off' because she thought that would look good to her mates in the media, I can't trawl through Twitter but I've witnessed her there and on telly agree with and join in with people slagging her off. Then you'll get some pious words from her about women supporting women and how she'll always back up her sisters. She's honestly, genuinely bloody awful.

I think she's awful too, though there's a bit of me that can't help liking her (a bit). She does this performance of authentic emotional plain speaking, a sort of articulate non-politician talk - but which is ultimately her own politician talk. She won't get the job, though I suspect she do a good job of exposing Johnson at pmqs at least until the voters get sick of her schtick.

 

[oryx]

And with zero chance of being elected by the membership on account of being a blairite

Yes, and ditto Starmer (not the Blairite thing but too centrist for the membership IMHO).

I don't think it should matter where an MP comes from, or what gender they are - it's their politics that are the important thing, and how they get them across.

I do wonder if there is some resentment about MPs being 'parachuted in' to safe seats, often in the north and midlands. I haven't sat there and analysed how this affected the last election in terms of who lost their seats, and I don't intend to. I am a woman and a diehard feminist, but I do wonder about all woman shortlists and whether breaking down barriers to women becoming MPs, e.g. issues over voting (Tulip Siddiq comes to mind), maternity leave, childcare, MPs hours etc. etc. would be a better way.

ETA and the sexist culture of the HOC.

 

[redsquirrel]

Her nickname is Rebecca Wrong-Daily, and she has made some howlers, but the field is not exactly replete with fantastic performers with the right(ish) politics, remain/leave balance, and who can appeal to both the membership - or half of it - and the world outside.

Is it? Where?

Yvette Cooper must stand a good chance. She's a very competent public performer; represents a Northern constituency, is untainted by links with Corbyn and female.

What PT too tarred with the New Labour years. The LP will probably move to the right but there is no appetite (beyond a few wankers like Akehurst) for the party to go back to the politics of New Labour.

 

[Shechemite]

Is it? Where?

Amongst the ‘anyone but corbyn’ crowd. (Yes a lot of whom are wankers)

 

[brogdale]

I'm no expert on these matters, but does RLB not realise that Burgon comes across as a quarter-wit oaf? Why saddle herself with that loser?

 

[Shechemite]

Burgon apparently has been a very good advocate for bereaved families/on the issues around inquests into deaths in care

 

[brogdale]

Burgon apparently has been a very good advocate for bereaved families/on the issues around inquests into deaths in care

Which I'm glad that you've brought to my attention and is a great credit to him as an MP.
Does not necessarily mean that, if I were a member, I'd chose him to Deputise for the leadership of the party.

 

[redsquirrel]

Burgon took time off from campaigning to come down and support UCU strikes. Benn nowhere to be seen.

 

[brogdale]

Burgon took time off from campaigning to come down and support UCU strikes. Benn nowhere to be seen.

Again creditable (& I'm showing my ignorance of his various merits)...but...deputy leader, really?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

she's the ed miliband for our generation. got the right voice, wont scare the bosses too much. a move back to the right

Concretely how is Nandy a move ‘to the right’?

I’ve watched two interviews with her now and don’t sense any sense of resiling from the key social democratic policy ideas.

 

[Shechemite]

Which I'm glad that you've brought to my attention and is a great credit to him as an MP.
Does not necessarily mean that, if I were a member, I'd chose him to Deputise for the leadership of the party.

He’d be a disaster as deputy leader.

 

[Sprocket.]

Caroline Flint put the boot into Thornberry this morning by telling how Thornberry, pushing for a second referendum told one of Flint’s colleagues that, ‘she (Thornberry) was glad she didn’t have constituents as stupid as yours’.
Not shocked!

 

[treelover]

Yvette Cooper must stand a good chance. She's a very competent public performer; represents a Northern constituency, is untainted by links with Corbyn and female.

Er, did you see my post about her history on social security?