Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
What’s nandy been like on social security?
Who will be the next Labour leader?
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Proper Tidy
Arsed
Her voting record on wealth redistribution through tax is shit
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Well what do you want from the (deputy) leader to the LP? What is the purpose of the leader of the LP and for who?
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Burgons on sky now.
He’s seen as a nutter (and a bit thick)
He’s seen as a nutter (and a bit thick)
Almost always voted for paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
She served in the pro-austerity shadow cabinet, she resigned from most left wing shadow cabinet in decades to sack Smiths tilt at the leadership. She's in no sense on the right of the party but belboid is right that she's very much from the same political space as Miliband.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
What votes? When?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
And Nandy abstained on the 2015 Welfare Reform and Work Bill.
She's made a number of the right sounds but when things are actually on the line she's toed right again and again.
She's made a number of the right sounds but when things are actually on the line she's toed right again and again.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I suppose members would hope for someone capable of supporting the leadership as a clear, convincing advocate of the policy platform and all-round attack dog when necessary?
Not a figure of fun.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
And your aims are the same aims as Labour members?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Posted on the Corbyn thread but relevant to point I'm making above. What do people want from a LP leader?
I don't think my interest, as a communist, are the same as either of the posters I've quoted.
didn't know that, i am going to write to her.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Fair enough. But she comes over as extremely coherent on the need to reconnect labour to working class leave areas and communities.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
I think she was late stage pregnant then tbf
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
The leader of a party gets to choose, and stand by that choice. That is what they are paid for.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Dunno; quite possibly not.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Nandy. A bit blue laboury?
Blue Labour – Forging a New Politics – Manchester, Saturday 26 November 2016
Blue Labour – Forging a New Politics – Manchester, Saturday 26 November 2016
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Im not a member. I’m normally not even a supporter.
But, basically, if Labour don’t elect a leader who a) will develop and embed the key social democratic policy commitments and continue the step away from neo-liberal orthodoxy and b) finds a way to popularise these ideas in working class communities in towns and cities, north and south, among young and old then they are over.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
There were also UKIP MEPs speaking at that event.
Look, I’m not a member. I don’t get a vote.
My comments about Nandy are based on the simple premise that seems to have a coherent narrative of what went wrong.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Didn't know that. Seems you are correct and afterwards she did make this statement. So fair play to her on that.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Yeah she's pretty good on benefits & welfare I think
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
I guess I see the same strengths (as it were) and have the same concerns of LN as others on this thread. Also not a member.
I’m also aware of my own er vulnerabilities to the kind of ‘economically socialist, culturally conservative’ schtick (ie my hatred of a university radical types) that others might be happy to go along with.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Choose what? Everything. Nevermind the views of the membership?
brogdale see this is what I was trying to get at above. I think KK's view of leadership is not just wrong it's opposed to the principles of socialism.
It's the viewpoint that puts union bosses in charge of the decisions of industrial disputes rather than striking workers. It may or may not be a helpful viewpoint to the LP but it's a harmful one to workers.
The views of what makes a good leader for the LP are inseparable from what one views the purpose of the LP is.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
That's definitely where the party will end up if they don't select another left wing leader isn't it. When Corbyn was elected the runner up wasn't the Blairite (what did she get - 5% of the vote or something), it was Andy Burnham. Pretty much a like for like Miliband replacement. That's where they'd be without Corbyn not the Blairite right.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
With a left wing memebership wouldn’t it be difficult to ditch an established left wing party platform?
I was going to ask the same on the other thread. What is this 'good leader' ?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
The leader of the party has to tell the membership when they are wrong - he's not just a cypher, he's a leader, a follower, sometimes a cypher, a persuader and an ambassador: his job is to persuade the electorate of the memberships views, as well as listen to the electorate and tell the membership when they are barking up the wrong tree.
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