belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
which is, A, nothing to do with that article and, B, simply a recapitulation of existing labour policy.
Who will be the next Labour leader?
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Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
and she's gone
Labour leadership: Jess Phillips quits race to succeed Jeremy Corbyn
The Birmingham Yardley MP bows out of the contest as Lisa Nandy gets the backing of the GMB union.www.bbc.co.uk
Another centrist poster child who folded instantly when she stepped outside her media echo chamber.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
aint that the truth.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Cursed tweet
hash tag
Books, not bombs
and Jess Phillips is out Jess Phillips quits Labour leadership race admitting she can't unite the party
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
At least it wasn't Harry Potter I guess.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Reminds me a bit of Jo Swinson's Beyoncé meme on twitter shortly before she was hung, drawn and quartered in the Prime Ministerial debate in Sheffield.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
Also
Not entirely sure what they're going for here, but I'm sure someone had fun making the images
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Excellent news about the plazzy working class Brummie dropping out. We just need Thornberry, Nandy, Starmer and Long-Bailey to do the same now....
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Whilst I agree with your opinion that they are an unimpressive selection, someone has to win.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
RLB backs open selection. Another good proposal!
labourlist.org
Long-Bailey backs open selections in "democratic revolution" plan - LabourList
Labour leadership candidate Rebecca Long-Bailey is set to reveal her support for open parliamentary candidate selections in a…
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billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Do they really, though? A melting block of ice is apparently more of a vote-winner for Boris Johnson than Boris Johnson himself. Perhaps it's time to give 'And now, speaking for Her Majesty's Opposition, the judgemental silence of an empty space' a chance.
#onlyhalfjoking
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Just hear Lisa Nandy interviewed on Radio 4.
She said she supported Corbyn movinn the consensus away from the Blair years ( away from neolibealism I assume). That Blair had done good things like bring in mimimum wage.
She didnt say Universal Credit should be scrapped. But that it had been rolled out wthout enough support for people.
She said the welfare state ( in Labour party terms) was to paternalistic. That a discusssion is needed about restructuring it.Going back to its original principles. Helping peoples aspirations.
She thought the manifesto had to much in it and it "frightened people".
When she said that UC was rolled out without support she said it ws no good bringing in this UC when local services like libraries are being closed.
Im a bit concrned about her comments on "aspiration". If that means putting funding into local services like libraries etc then it might mean something. But it cmes across a bit like the Blair years.
She said she supported Corbyn movinn the consensus away from the Blair years ( away from neolibealism I assume). That Blair had done good things like bring in mimimum wage.
She didnt say Universal Credit should be scrapped. But that it had been rolled out wthout enough support for people.
She said the welfare state ( in Labour party terms) was to paternalistic. That a discusssion is needed about restructuring it.Going back to its original principles. Helping peoples aspirations.
She thought the manifesto had to much in it and it "frightened people".
When she said that UC was rolled out without support she said it ws no good bringing in this UC when local services like libraries are being closed.
Im a bit concrned about her comments on "aspiration". If that means putting funding into local services like libraries etc then it might mean something. But it cmes across a bit like the Blair years.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Her point about the paternalism of labour's approach to welfare state is bang on tbf
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Minus the tits and violence, it is.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
She supported Corbyn to the extent that she backed Owen Smith, was part of his team.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
To change welfare everything else needs to change too, especially housing. Welfare should be high benefits with intensive training to help people maintain their lives and move on. Now it’s a resentful hand out to people the state has little aspiration for. The phenomenal cost of housing and poor wages are massive disincentives to people who may be struggling for lots of personal reasons. So it’s good she mentions it, but what’s the aspiration and what’s the alternative to paternalism she wants to offer?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Yeah can't argue with that and as chilango says there is a massive difference between an emphasis on collective aspiration, working class aspiration, and individualised social mobility. In terms of meat and bones of what a potential labour govt could do, I dunno, it's never never land anyway, but I did find the paternalism of much of corbynism grating - almost exclusively about food banks etc, this stuff matters but rhetoric shouldn't be limited to tops down stuff about helping the helpless poor, it should be about giving working class people the tools to take positive action, the stuff that is already available and taken for granted by others
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
strengthening unions? what else you thinking of?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
This is spot on. Corbynism has too often presented the working class as victims, weak and in need of paternal support (from the state).
Other posters are right about the need for caution and preciseness on this issue. But Nandy is absolutely right on this because WC people don’t see themselves in the main in the terms that Labour did. The key, for me anyway, is to root politics in terms of equality of opportunity and levelling the playing field and away from both meritocracy and Corbyn’s obsession with food banks/UC.
Just on Nandy again though. She is an excellent communicator and I agree with a lot of her analysis of what the problems are. But she remains light on solutions and policy ideas. Maybe this is the campaign strategy or maybe she hasn’t got any...
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
It is but it is also somewhat at odds with her lack of criticism of the UC. Even a "better supported" UC would be (incredibly) paternalistic.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
I dunno. Stronger unions def but beyond that, collective working class bodies that can help with housing, childcare, elderly care, loads of stuff that is beyond the scope of trade unions and which the wealthier can solve by throwing money at it, which holds working class people back. Tbf to corbyn as an individual he did sometimes talk about stuff like this, the potential in everybody that needs unleashing. I suppose it's stuff that is more about giving people the tools to build this stuff from the bottom up that I am talking about, not the from above stuff
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