Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
See my above reply: and a good hard pull on the chain as you go
Who will be the next Labour leader?
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friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
There's something wrong with you lad
Be kind to your family whilst you're behaving like this You got a point today x
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
What’s open labour about then?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
100,000 people stood looking at their shoes and doing half hearted recriminations. Still, there'll be the booze.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Soft left types. Intellectual milifandom
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
More seriously, it's hard to know what the reaction of the wider labour movement will be. Labour will be doing full on recriminations, out of which will almost certainly emerge a more working class leader, maybe northern, almost certainly female. But the wider movement, maybe there'll be some kind of old school mobilisation against the first proper johnson atttack - big london demos, strikes too. Really hard to tell how this defeat will play out. 1979/83 are models to look back on, but today's economy is very different and union membership is much lower. Maybe we'll end up being more creative alongside a few hearty strikes. There'll be/continue to be plenty of issues. 
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Probably an insight into my brainz at the moment, along with wonky eyesight, but I read that as 'Soft lens types. Intellectual milf-dom'.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
More seriously, it's hard to know what the reaction of the wider labour movement will be. Labour will be doing full on recriminations, out of which will almost certainly emerge a more working class leader, maybe northern, almost certainly female. But the wider movement, maybe there'll be some kind of old school mobilisation against the first proper johnson atttack - big london demos, strikes too. Really hard to tell how this defeat will play out. 1979/83 are models to look back on, but today's economy is very different and union membership is much lower. Maybe we'll end up being more creative alongside a few hearty strikes. There'll be/continue to be plenty of issues.
I reckon industrial action would be a very good idea in as many instances as possible. The Tories have emasculated Unions (look at the postal workers defeat) but the SW rail workers give us some hope.
However to me it is very important that workers let the Tories know they are not chattels. You mention creative, if there is enough trust in a collective of workers they could all phone in sick on the same day, not sure if that is particularly creative.
In order to carry that sort of thing forward there may need courageous leadership, because 'Red Charlie' or whoever the media want to label will be constantly wary of what will come down on top.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
I read the 'Next leader' something on either the Guardian/BBC yesterday and all the suggested folk were womenMore seriously, it's hard to know what the reaction of the wider labour movement will be. Labour will be doing full on recriminations, out of which will almost certainly emerge a more working class leader, maybe northern, almost certainly female. But the wider movement, maybe there'll be some kind of old school mobilisation against the first proper johnson atttack - big london demos, strikes too. Really hard to tell how this defeat will play out. 1979/83 are models to look back on, but today's economy is very different and union membership is much lower. Maybe we'll end up being more creative alongside a few hearty strikes. There'll be/continue to be plenty of issues.
but I just couldn't see any of them fitting the bill after the fucking that Corbyn has had by the media. I might be wrong but many of those suggested had quite young political careers behind them and there wasn't anyone, male or female, who was already there that I thought "Yeah it's time they stepped up". To be honest I can't think of anyone who can step up into this shitfest currently. Tom? fuck no, Keir...more of the same, Jess....would end up in jail when the media started, Emily...? Na, Yvette Cooper...maybe
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Phillips against Johnson would be fun for a while (she'd win), but politically, no, nay never. I like Rayner, I've just never had a sense she's brimming over with exciting ideas. Might be just because you just see her in a particular brief. Anyway, we'll see when they get into it.I read the 'Next leader' something on either the Guardian/BBC yesterday and all the suggested folk were women
Which is why the LP have to take time and thought to get a sense of who'd be the best, or more relevantly, least worst.
I haven't been a Labour member for very many years (just a Lab voter!), but even as an outsider, anything I think/thought is worth jack shit.
Because I honestly thought (re Brexit) that a second ref option offering soft Brexit vs remain would be the least worst option.
What crock of shit that was
.I'm a remainer, and now, for the first time
accepting full defeat, but in recent weeks I fucked up royally on thinking that "Bored with Brexit" voters might focus differently than "Let's get Brexit done" voters.I also genuinely thought that pushing a big "Protect the NHS" agenda plus generally anti-austerity stuff, might make it less of a Brexit dominated election which might give Corbs a chance of at least a hung Parliament.
Everything I thought was wrong .....
TLDR
and back OT : Next leader? Someone who isn't Starmer or Phillips would be OK compared to those two.
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billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Which is why the LP have to take time and thought to get a sense of who'd be the best, or more relevantly, least worst.
I haven't been a Labour member for very many years (just a Lab voter!), but even as an outsider, anything I think/thought is worth jack shit.
Because I honestly thought (re Brexit) that a second ref option offering soft Brexit vs remain would be the least worst option.
What crock of shit that was
I'm a remainer, and now, for the first time
I also genuinely thought that pushing a big 'Protect the NHS' agenda plus generally anti-austerity stuff, might make it less of a Brexit dominated election which might give Corbs a chance of at least a hung Parliament.
Everything I thought was wrong .....
TLDR
This post should be basically what all strongly remain-oriented Labour supporters, regardless of their point on the left--right spectrum, are concluding right now. I know Corbyn as a person didn't exactly win over voters in traditional w/c Labour heartlands, but it's a red herring to focus on that. Plenty of past Labour leaders who were no more 'one of us' in Blyth or Bolsover than Corbyn is still got those heartlands' votes. Huge numbers would have looked past his more Islington tendencies if he'd been saying something more like what they wanted to hear on Brexit.
What your comment here seems to acknowledge is that Labour having been too scared to stop trying to appease the hardcore-remain faction has done nothing but ensure that that faction's worst-case scenario is now the most likely outcome.
(I say this as a tepid remainer who always felt the party should have accepted the leave vote from day 1 and focused on making it the best form of exit it could be.)
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Aw, bless.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
That has to be a piss take account, the banner photo is from his libdem era
Supine
Newt Member
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I get the impression that pretty much everything in politics these days is a piss-take. Beyond satire barely covers it.
I wouldn't be remotely surprised if there are some in Labour who see Chuka as the man who would be king - and I wouldn't be remotely surprised if the ego himself is exploring ways to get himself on the ballot paper. I know it's impossible - but the world is smacked off its tits.
19sixtysix
Life as viewed from a Gay Gorbals Garret
Did we ever discover the real reason why chucka pulled out of that leadership race?
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
We’ve been sharing it via DM
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
That Steve Bray chap
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Or Femi
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Paul Mason?
Labour Party chairman on GMB discusses whether it would be a good idea to choose a new leader that is a remainer as remainers are now seen as toxic and anti-democratic.
Labour leadership race threatens party civil war as MPs fear ‘continuity Corbyn’ figure — The Independent
Labour leadership race threatens party civil war as MPs fear ‘continuity Corbyn’ figure — The Independent
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That Chuka thing, if it's for real:
"Not followed by anyone you are following"
I should fucking hope not!
"Not followed by anyone you are following"
I should fucking hope not!
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
I was just thinking of Burnham. Only problem is he's a man. Perhaps there's time for him to transition before the next election. I think people trust him.
That's gotta a be a troll that Chukka thing. He's waaaay out in the political wilderness now. Chukka is well and truly chucked.
Edited, to be fair to Chukka he did mange a +19.6% swing to the LibDems.
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fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
The non-London woman thing is stupid. Seems a very London meteopolitan elite concern. A lot of working class people are traditional at heart. And the “red wall” just voted in an old Etonian former mayor of London! The new leader needs to be intelligent and needs to have a great strategy. That’s not RLB.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Why do you think RLB isn't intelligent? What's wrong with her strategy, and why?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
It's monday morning so I'm sure by now Umunna has started his new 250,000 p/a consultancy job in the city somewhere.
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