Stewart came closest with his bit about transforming Social Care to match the NHS it was particularly at that point that his colleagues started to treat him as a hostile witness so to speak.
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Agree apart from Maitlis and Nazhanin issue if the pack hadn't rallied round at that point I think that could have counted as a blow.Ditto the mention of pillar-boxes.
gosub
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Given the age demographic of the membership I would say the inadequacies of adult social care would be a bit of specialist subject for a lot of them
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
He was underpowered. A poor performance, but gaffe-free. Gove was the best performer I thought. Attacks on Corbyn and lots of repeated ‘detailed plans’ that can be chopped up for social media.
elbows
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Yes, although I suppose its possible to draw some parallels with Corbyn, who wasnt exactly accused of initially standing with the intention of winning, or in his case of even building something for the future.
Stewart may also only be interested in this sort of party politics and debate if he can get somewhere using his particular form of 'realism'. I suppose this sort of realism actually offers a vast landscape of different policy options, different ways to sell out to various interests etc, but it does limit the flavours of rhetoric and propaganda that you have available to you. It appears he can still talk for eternity using the remaining rhetorical devices, but whether such messages will ever resonate with the tory party is another matter. Given that I've seen him get rather excited about the political crisis that Brexit has generated, perhaps he thinks this situation is a good test for this form of realism too.
elbows
Well-Known Member
One of Goves new debate techniques, to look straight at the camera, was thwarted by the BBC at times tonight.
Johnson did a bit of the trick that Clegg used too much years ago, the whole 'remember the name of the question asker and mention it' thing, though not as blatantly as Clegg.
Stewart failed to clinically dissect Boris, Maitlis probably got in more attacks on Boris than the rest of them.
I wasnt expecting much but even with low expectations it still felt like a damp squib.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Shame he forgot that brown chaps name.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Corbyn had some base in the Labour Party membership and for bad or worse that was enhanced by Momentum. The Tories lack any appeal to the under 25yr olds and Stewart hasnt built anything on the ground . Whilst those outside of the Tory membership want him to do well I'm not sure that he has a message among the actual Tory membership .
elbows
Well-Known Member
I wasnt sure if he was searching for a name or a term that was less offensive than he may have been tempted to reach for in that context at other moments in his dog whistle life.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yes I wasnt meaning to draw any comparison between Corbyn and Stewart in terms of likely success. Not that people found it easy to predict Corbyns level of success back then either, doh there I go again!
I have no way to actually judge Stewarts aims with great confidence. I do think these sorts of self-proclaimed realists love the opportunity to see if they can get their way of seeing and describing things to resonate. It plays into the whole 'appeal to peoples rational side' thing that is probably quite seductive for those with the means to play a gig on that stage, and supreme confidence in their own rationale and rationality.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
I've never seen such a shitshow of people talking over and interrupting each other.
I reckon about 30-40% of the programme was this. It would have been interesting for them to be probed on how they intended to do things (the most obvious example being take the UK out of the EU by 31 October) rather than that they intended to do them.
Of course, they don't know...but it would have been good to at least attempt some scrutiny of their shallow undertakings.
I reckon about 30-40% of the programme was this. It would have been interesting for them to be probed on how they intended to do things (the most obvious example being take the UK out of the EU by 31 October) rather than that they intended to do them.
Of course, they don't know...but it would have been good to at least attempt some scrutiny of their shallow undertakings.
they were probed, but no-one had an answer. I dont think there is an answer, which is why.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
In all the blame apportioning, you left out remain voters. They'll definitely be in for their share of blame-shifting if it all goes to shit. "Enemy within" type hysteria from the right wing press, frothing vitriol and death threats on social media etc.
Just to add a cheery note to the prediction...
elbows
Well-Known Member
No but I've heard the title of their latest single is based on a slight tweak of the BBC debates title. Our next prime sinister.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Stewart's competing to lead the government of national unity that will be foisted on us after Johnson fucks up.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Yes understand what you are saying .He comes across quite well if a little leftfield but his voting record is tells a different story
elbows
Well-Known Member
I look at his record and mostly see that so far in parliament his 'realism' has involved much loyalty to his party and government.
They didn't answer the question on food banks at all, i wonder if the left liberal twitterati noticed that?
What was all that stuff about being in a room called parliament?
They're all under strict instructions not to say anything that might give Labour any ammunition, basically they might as well just wave their hands about for an hour with the sound off.
I didn't see it but did Stewart really take his tie off
They're all under strict instructions not to say anything that might give Labour any ammunition, basically they might as well just wave their hands about for an hour with the sound off.
I didn't see it but did Stewart really take his tie off
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
FFY.
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Sit on some uncomfortable railings Rory..
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
It's like he shrinking like Benjamin Button.
Get a fucking suit that fits ya, ya twat.
Shudders.
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