kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
The next PM has to be a member of the house of commons. Ruth Davidson, for all her many talents, is not, and isn't going to be one before Thursday when the nominations close.
Who is going to win the 2016 Tory leadership election?
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The next PM has to be a member of the house of commons. Ruth Davidson, for all her many talents, is not, and isn't going to be one before Thursday when the nominations close.
wheelie_bin
Well-Known Member
So that means definitely no PM until later in the year while they fight it out.
Oh no s/he doesn't.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Not necessarily - some of the nominations are about staking an ideological position that will need to be bought off in order for the candidate to withdraw and endorse another candidate. Some, of course, are just about wanting a plum job...
The Tory MP's will vote next Tuesday and then Thursday to whittle the eight or whatever down to two, and the postal votes will then go out to the members to chose between them - the result will be announced on the 2nd September.
hot air baboon
Well-Known Member
...it won't be Crabb...he'll be making a sideways move...
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Word is he'd take a pasting, anyway.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
It's the beard - no one trusts a man with a beard. Hiding something....
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Under his shell?
Do I really have to use italics?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Apparently, yes. It appears my hitherto decent eye for a pun has been dulled...
Well done, once I'd got it, I thought it was excellent.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
To me he looks rather sinister and ruthless. That should not affect your judgement of a person though. I don't like the things he has said and done in his career in the Tory party. I cannot see any redeeming features about him. He would be as bad as any of the other candidates.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
Boris because it's important the out camp are betrayed by one of their own.
ska invita
back on the other side
Todays evening standard has an ' exclusive' that tory whips are pushing people to vote for May, and certainly not Boris. Party machine is against him.
Seems sensible, I think Johnson is a liability, from their point of view...
Seems sensible, I think Johnson is a liability, from their point of view...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It would be more sensible if the Tories had said tm the MPs choice while bj of limited popularity among them
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Boris is toxic as fuck.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Jesus fuck, take that image away, please!
ska invita
back on the other side
This... No general election if Boris Johnson wins Tory leadership
suggests that if Boris wins there wont be a GE...but if he doesnt there will?
Is that correct? and if so, why? Whats makes May winning, say, trigger a general election?
suggests that if Boris wins there wont be a GE...but if he doesnt there will?
Is that correct? and if so, why? Whats makes May winning, say, trigger a general election?
Lurdan
old wave
As far as I can see it's just saying that a 'source' is claiming Boris doesn't feel he needs one. A signal to reassure Tory MPs in marginal seats perhaps? An attempt to imply he has 'a plan' ? Says nothing about what might actually happen.
Calling a snap election carries serious risks given the strong feelings the outcome of the referendum has generated. I doubt any of the Tory contenders would want an election, with the resulting close scrutiny of their attitudes to the multiple competing challenges they are going to face, before having at least some 'progress' to show, or time to formulate a 'roadmap' and 'goals'. It could very easily turn out to be the kind of miscalculation Cameron made in calling the referendum.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
In contrast to Hunt who was signalling a GE, amongst other things, as a strategy to avoid Brexit.
Lurdan
old wave
As I understood it he was saying the results of some (undefined) process of negotiation should be 'put to the people' which doesn't suggest a snap election.
The likely timescale of negotiations over 'exit' (whatever that turns out to mean in reality) means that an election is very likely before everything is fully sorted out.
I know Hunt hasn't 'ruled out' standing but I suspect he may simply be reminding people his vote is for sale. Going to be a busy day and half for horse trading
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Oh Sarah Vine you are such a plonker.
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Sifta
So let's not talk of love and flowers
"Blunder", my arse
wheelie_bin
Well-Known Member
Nice of May or Crabbe to have offered Gove a job. I wonder what they've given him.
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
Fox wants to be PM too. I wonder what he'd give him...
Lurdan
old wave
May sets out her opening pitch in an article in The Times today. Not unentertaining and paywalled so here it is.
We can make Britain work for everyone
A comment under the article points out that she doesn't mention immigration. I imagine that is quite deliberate at this stage. I note she also doesn't mention the single market.
She made a speech about immigration at last years Conservative Party conference. At the time it was attacked as fairly hard line whereas post-referendum debate it looks positively 'moderate'.
It's also interesting to look at both of these speeches and see that neither would require a massive amount of surgery and fine tuning in order to be usable by the centre and right of the Labour Party.
We can make Britain work for everyone
June 30 2016, 12:01am, The Times
Today I will launch my campaign to become the leader of the Conservative Party and prime minister of the United Kingdom. And I do so for three clear reasons.
First, following last week’s referendum, our country needs strong, proven leadership to steer us through this period of economic and political uncertainty, and to negotiate the best possible terms as we leave the European Union.
Second, we need leadership that can unite our party and our country. With the Labour Party tearing itself to pieces, and divisive nationalists in Scotland and Wales, it is the patriotic duty of the Conservative Party to unite and govern in the best interests of the whole country.
And third, we need a bold, new, positive vision for the future of our country — a vision of a country that works not for a privileged few but for everyone, regardless of who they are and regardless of where they’re from.
If you’re born poor in today’s Britain, you will die on average nine years earlier than others. If you’re black, you’re treated more harshly by the criminal justice system than if you’re white. If you’re a white, working-class boy, you’re less likely than anybody else in Britain to go to university.
If you’re at a state school, you’re less likely to reach the top professions than if you’re educated privately. If you’re a woman, you still earn less than a man. If you suffer from mental health problems, there’s too often not enough help to hand. If you’re young, you’ll find it harder than ever before to own your own home. These are all burning injustices, and I am determined to fight against them.
But the mission to make Britain a country that works for everyone goes further than fighting these injustices. If you’re from an ordinary, working-class family, life is just much harder than many people in politics realise. You have a job, but you don’t always have job security. You have your own home, but you worry about mortgage rates going up. You can just about manage, but you worry about the cost of living and the quality of the local school, because there’s no other choice for you.
Frankly, not everybody in Westminster understands what it’s like to live like this. And some need to be told that what the government does isn’t a game, it’s a serious business that has real consequences for people’s lives.
So I will be arguing in favour of a new and radical programme of social reform. This programme — true to my party’s proud philosophical tradition of One Nation — will include big changes to the way we think about our economy, our society and our democracy. We believe in capitalism and free markets, for example, because history has shown them to be the best way in which we spread opportunity and improve social mobility. But where capitalism is not helping to provide opportunity for all, where it is losing public support, where there are gross abuses of power, we need to reform it.
And we need to think differently about the role of the state. Instead of thinking of it always as the problem, we should acknowledge that often it is only the state that can provide solutions to the problems we face. So yes, the state needs to be small, but it needs to be strong.
We have to be clear that there is more to life, and more to Conservatism, than individualism. We have to cherish not just our older institutions but those that are younger too, like the BBC and the NHS. And we have to restore one of the oldest principles of Conservative philosophy — the contract between the generations — so that young people get a fair crack of the whip.
And we need to contemplate changes to the Conservative Party itself, because we can’t build a country that works for everybody unless we are truly a party that works for everybody.
This is the kind of Conservatism I’ve always stood for. And it is the kind of change I have always worked hard to make happen. As chairman of the Conservative Party, I was among the first to say we needed to change, to become more open, inclusive and representative of modern Britain. As a member of parliament, I played a part in helping more female Conservatives get elected than ever before.
As home secretary, I haven’t only overseen a fall in crime to its lowest recorded level, I have made it my mission to tackle injustice wherever I have found it. From Stephen Lawrence to Hillsborough, where there has been evidence of police corruption, I’ve exposed it. I’ve cut stop and search to its lowest ever level. I introduced the first ever Modern Slavery Act.
Under huge pressure from the United States, I blocked the extradition of Gary McKinnon. And when I was told I couldn’t deport Abu Qatada, I flew to Jordan and negotiated the treaty that got him out of Britain.
Under my leadership, the motives of the Conservative Party will never be in any doubt. We will put ourselves at the service of ordinary, working people and we will strive to make Britain a country that works for everyone, regardless of who they are and regardless of where they’re from.
Today I will launch my campaign to become the leader of the Conservative Party and prime minister of the United Kingdom. And I do so for three clear reasons.
First, following last week’s referendum, our country needs strong, proven leadership to steer us through this period of economic and political uncertainty, and to negotiate the best possible terms as we leave the European Union.
Second, we need leadership that can unite our party and our country. With the Labour Party tearing itself to pieces, and divisive nationalists in Scotland and Wales, it is the patriotic duty of the Conservative Party to unite and govern in the best interests of the whole country.
And third, we need a bold, new, positive vision for the future of our country — a vision of a country that works not for a privileged few but for everyone, regardless of who they are and regardless of where they’re from.
If you’re born poor in today’s Britain, you will die on average nine years earlier than others. If you’re black, you’re treated more harshly by the criminal justice system than if you’re white. If you’re a white, working-class boy, you’re less likely than anybody else in Britain to go to university.
If you’re at a state school, you’re less likely to reach the top professions than if you’re educated privately. If you’re a woman, you still earn less than a man. If you suffer from mental health problems, there’s too often not enough help to hand. If you’re young, you’ll find it harder than ever before to own your own home. These are all burning injustices, and I am determined to fight against them.
But the mission to make Britain a country that works for everyone goes further than fighting these injustices. If you’re from an ordinary, working-class family, life is just much harder than many people in politics realise. You have a job, but you don’t always have job security. You have your own home, but you worry about mortgage rates going up. You can just about manage, but you worry about the cost of living and the quality of the local school, because there’s no other choice for you.
Frankly, not everybody in Westminster understands what it’s like to live like this. And some need to be told that what the government does isn’t a game, it’s a serious business that has real consequences for people’s lives.
So I will be arguing in favour of a new and radical programme of social reform. This programme — true to my party’s proud philosophical tradition of One Nation — will include big changes to the way we think about our economy, our society and our democracy. We believe in capitalism and free markets, for example, because history has shown them to be the best way in which we spread opportunity and improve social mobility. But where capitalism is not helping to provide opportunity for all, where it is losing public support, where there are gross abuses of power, we need to reform it.
And we need to think differently about the role of the state. Instead of thinking of it always as the problem, we should acknowledge that often it is only the state that can provide solutions to the problems we face. So yes, the state needs to be small, but it needs to be strong.
We have to be clear that there is more to life, and more to Conservatism, than individualism. We have to cherish not just our older institutions but those that are younger too, like the BBC and the NHS. And we have to restore one of the oldest principles of Conservative philosophy — the contract between the generations — so that young people get a fair crack of the whip.
And we need to contemplate changes to the Conservative Party itself, because we can’t build a country that works for everybody unless we are truly a party that works for everybody.
This is the kind of Conservatism I’ve always stood for. And it is the kind of change I have always worked hard to make happen. As chairman of the Conservative Party, I was among the first to say we needed to change, to become more open, inclusive and representative of modern Britain. As a member of parliament, I played a part in helping more female Conservatives get elected than ever before.
As home secretary, I haven’t only overseen a fall in crime to its lowest recorded level, I have made it my mission to tackle injustice wherever I have found it. From Stephen Lawrence to Hillsborough, where there has been evidence of police corruption, I’ve exposed it. I’ve cut stop and search to its lowest ever level. I introduced the first ever Modern Slavery Act.
Under huge pressure from the United States, I blocked the extradition of Gary McKinnon. And when I was told I couldn’t deport Abu Qatada, I flew to Jordan and negotiated the treaty that got him out of Britain.
Under my leadership, the motives of the Conservative Party will never be in any doubt. We will put ourselves at the service of ordinary, working people and we will strive to make Britain a country that works for everyone, regardless of who they are and regardless of where they’re from.
A comment under the article points out that she doesn't mention immigration. I imagine that is quite deliberate at this stage. I note she also doesn't mention the single market.
She made a speech about immigration at last years Conservative Party conference. At the time it was attacked as fairly hard line whereas post-referendum debate it looks positively 'moderate'.
It's also interesting to look at both of these speeches and see that neither would require a massive amount of surgery and fine tuning in order to be usable by the centre and right of the Labour Party.
andysays
Love and solidarity
But she does say this
so she appears (at least) to have accepted the result of the referendum and be intending to follow through with Brexit
Lurdan
old wave
I think all the contenders will have to appear to in their way. I can't see how any candidate could get away with not satisfactorily answering the question of whether or not they will invoke Article 50 if they become Prime Minister.
In some ways May might find it easier during this contest to deal with the contradictions between ending free movement, and obtaining 'access' to the single market on better than WTO terms, than Johnson, who has offered a lot of hostages to fortune by claiming to be able to maximise both things. But who knows.
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