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what no annual poppy bunfight thread?
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coley
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Good idea, which war, which clowns?
I know, it's an old fashioned idea to give a few minutes thanks to those 'clowns' who gave everything to make sure we have the freedom to post comments, like the above, and SL, and others, are more than entitled to their views.
And aye, Thomas Atkins ain't stupid, he knows he is a tiny chess piece in the 'great game of corporate/political greed" but we put on the uniform to protect a system though hugely imperfect, protected his/her family. Irrespective of politics.
Now let's have a wee bit honesty, remembrance is about those who died, esp in WW1 and 2, those who have a beef about the role of the British armed forces in the political arena and in conflicts other than the two world wars, let them start another thread.
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coley
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wobbly
Now let's have a wee bit honesty, remembrance is about those who died, esp in WW1 and 2, those who have a beef about the role of the British armed forces in the political arena and in conflicts other than the two world wars, let them start another thread.
Step forward pogofish
rememberence should be about those who died. discussion about more recent conflicts is a result of the politicians who back those conflicts linking rememberence to support of current political positions.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
have you had a look at the wording of this oath?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i was looking through the files yesterday and by chance saw an ad for poppy week from 1979, when it was a week and not a month.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what would better help the thread would be coley's immmediate and permanent departure from it.
sleaterkinney
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Honesty from who?
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
Indeed,I watched an ep of Top of the Pops from the 1st week of Nov 1979 a while back,didn't notice any poppy wearers among the bands,presenter or the audience....
coley
Well-Known Member
Is "we" a clue?
coley
Well-Known Member
Fair point, Blair at the cenotaph on Sunday was sickening.
coley
Well-Known Member
Good idea, which war, which clowns?
I know, it's an old fashioned idea to give a few minutes thanks to those 'clowns' who gave everything to make sure we have the freedom to post comments, like the above, and SL, and others, are more than entitled to their views.
And aye, Thomas Atkins ain't stupid, he knows he is a tiny chess piece in the 'great game of corporate/political greed" but we put on the uniform to protect a system though hugely imperfect, protected his/her family. Irrespective of politics.
Now let's have a wee bit honesty, remembrance is about those who died, esp in WW1 and 2, those who have a beef about the role of the British armed forces in the political arena and in conflicts other than the two world wars, let them start another thread.
Step forward pogofish
Not sure why that's a response to my throw away post, I was making a point about the ludicrous range of different types of poppy you can get now - I'm a red poppy man myself.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
The armed services are told where to go by politicians, aren't they? So even if they're not loyal to one party, they are political in that they enact policy written by politicians. They're a political tool, if nothing else.
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rekil
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Front page of the Telegraph is a little bit glorification. The next generation of the officer class is it. At this rate, in a couple of years there'll be 'bayonet a wog' sideshows to keep the kids entertained while the parents have a spot of lunch in the Jamie Oliver popup trench dugout restaurant.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Not really. Coming from a big family with many paternal generations in the military, I'm aware that a lot of village memorials, on Remembrance Day, don't have any ceremonial, just remembrance. No civic dignitaries or pompous speeches, no public ceremony.
The village my dad was born in, in north Norfolk, has a churchyard in which stands a memorial to the dead of The Great War. It has 8 names on it, but all of them are remembered, because their surnames are still alive in the area. One of them was my grandmother's brother - he would have been my great-uncle, if he'd lived. We don't remember him and the others because we're nationalists, or because we're shaping some kind of nationalist identity, we remember our dead because they are "ours", just as we remember "the dead" because we know that their loss, and their memory is the same as ours. The state might (and does) try to appropriate that sentiment for its' own purposes, and with the big civic Remembrance Day ceremonials, I'm sure they somewhat succeed, but they're not the be-all and end-all of Remembrance, they're just wankers trying to do exactly what you and I have both accused them of.
rioted
redundant
My aunt and two of my cousins died in an air raid. Their surnames are still alive in the area. They are not on any war memorial.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
As I said earlier in the thread, this surge in jingoism is pretty much directly attributable to Blair's efforts to wrap his poodle-like efforts to win favour with the US by going to war alongside them, in the flag. For him and Cameron, and to a lesser extent Brown, it's all about promoting a myth of military interventionism that is good, and alongside that the sacrifice - their sacrifice - of young working class lives, and the lives of non-combatants has to be sold to the public as a necessary evil done for the "greater good". It's not what remembrance means to me, or to many I know, but that is what the state is attempting to do with remembrance: Use it to figleaf their crimes.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Did you not notice in the first sentence of my post, the words "in the military"?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Cam arrives at a conclusion that most of the other posters on the thread arrived at a week ago at least!
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my boss is heavily involved in the local tory association. last year, he he looked at the politicians at the rememberence parade on tv and suggested that it would only take one grenade to get rid of them ALL. on this particular issue, i aggree with him and don't dicsriminate between slimy arseholes i wouldn't buy a used car off, depending on what colour rosette they wear.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
I was staying out of it, but figured I might as well try and articulate it another way as those already involved in the argument were clearly having no successCam arrives at a conclusion that most of the other posters on the thread arrived at a week ago at least!
e2a: Although fuck me, what was that apostrophe doing there?!
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is maudlin the word i'm looking for. sickly sweet sentiment.
lest we forget - we have forgotten the number of kids who died. if you want to focus on military rememberence as officialdom does, that's including the children who got sent out. lad looks about the right age, the youngest to die in uniform on the somme was 12.dressing a child up in uniform to remember the dead children who shouldn't have been there is sickening
we've forgotten how shit it all got. cause if we hadn't, this wouldn't be sentimental. it would be gut wrenchingly horrific.
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coley
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Aye
, one of the things I do agree with on here is the way the main services are being hijacked by smarmy politicians
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The tesco pizza just no
The children at the somme they werent forced they actually volunteered
which is probably worse
but they didn't send them home, after they found out their age and they din't bother doing anyhting much to check.
i do know my great grandfather joined the navy 2 years before he was supposed to have signed up. got his aunt to sign something to say he was old enough.
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