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Also, I really don't see how you can say that the press has been mostly uncritical of what the Government does, especially now under Labour from the right-wing papers. As I was saying to someone on another board who was claiming that the BBC doesn't provide a "right of centre" viewpoint, I pointed out that in a debate on Newsnight just the previous night, some of the participants were not just right of centre, but were in fact right-wing.
PS: apologies if the quotes aren't quite right, they got quite complicated.
But it still sounds like you expect that half of the people who stand as candidates to serve in an organisation would want the overthrow of that organisation. How many MPs elected to the House of Commons want the disbandment of the UK? And, in fact, you actually do get MEPs who want the UK to leave the EU - the UK Independence Party. It's just that not many people choose to vote for them, as is their right.goneforlunch said:There is no opposition in the EU in the parliamentary democractic sense either, and certainly nothing effective for those opposed to a federalised EU.
No, I was merely responding to what you had previously posted. You implied that, because the mainstream parties support the evolving EU, it is a bad thing, and so I just pointed out that they would think the opposite.goneforlunch said:So part of your reasoning for thinking the evolving EU is good is because most politicians support it?hrdtc said:Yes, the EU is gradually evolving, and is supported by the mainstream parties, but so what? They obviously must think that it is a good thing. And most of the media? How do you figure? Most papers don't support it.goneforlunch said:The EU is an evolving single state, supported by the mainstream political parties, most of the media, and the multinational corporations.
Firstly, if I did my own research, then there would be no point in me coming on a message board to argue it out. I've heard people say that before to do with other things like the BBC. They say, "just do a search on Google", and I say, "why should I have to, either you have the links or you don't". Quite often I don't hear anything back from them after that. And like I said before, you must know that it would be virtually impossible to find a genuinely neutral source on a topic like this.goneforlunch said:Why not try doing a little independent research, using critical sources as well as mainstream ones, and make up your own mind? And most of the mass circulation papers have done little to inform their readers of the true nature of the EU. To read them you would think that the EU is no more than an irritant in our lives, either that or our politicians are somehow fighting an oppressive interloper. The general public hardly understands at all just how complicit our political elite have been in allowing our integration into a federalised EU to happen. The press is as responsible for this sad state of affairs as the politicians are, and have de facto supported the EU in their mostly uncritical acceptance of government policy down the years.
Also, I really don't see how you can say that the press has been mostly uncritical of what the Government does, especially now under Labour from the right-wing papers. As I was saying to someone on another board who was claiming that the BBC doesn't provide a "right of centre" viewpoint, I pointed out that in a debate on Newsnight just the previous night, some of the participants were not just right of centre, but were in fact right-wing.
PS: apologies if the quotes aren't quite right, they got quite complicated.