i am glad that i have magical beliefs, if i think hard enough will Thatcher's bowels explode ?
welfare state breakdown
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i am glad that i have magical beliefs, if i think hard enough will Thatcher's bowels explode ?
Nice sense of humour there. Do you get upset at Frankie Boyle too? Still mourning Michael Jackson!
There are faults in all political systems but to rhyme off the whole lot here would mean i have NO LIFE
Faults? Come on. You think the political spectrum is analogous to Satan/Hitler on one side and Jesus/trevhagl on the other? Where do you get this crazy notion that Fascism is a celebration of individualism and that Fascist organisations aren’t fundamentally welfarist? The BNP are practically pension-socialists for fucks sake.
no i dont work for the "nash" which i am guessing is some slang for the social?
i work for a drugs and alcohol community treatment service. used to be nhs, done 19 years in nhs, then it was privatised my job along with it
but. it matters not who signs my payslips, as long as i get to deliver a service to those people who need it
im far from facist, i believe that people should support themselves but also pay into the welfare state so that those who cannot (rather than choose not) support themselves are supported through that system
all i object to is those that milk the system when they are capable of supporting themselves
i dont see the problem with that?
the other extreme is that none of us work and therefore all of us rely on the state to support us.. but that dont work cause who is there to pay the taxes to fund the state?
the vast majority of arguments here seem to be based in the concepts of "rights without expectation of responsibility"
mmm the nazi's are mentioned again
perhaps citing godwins law here wouldnt be out of place?
i work for a drugs and alcohol community treatment service. used to be nhs, done 19 years in nhs, then it was privatised my job along with it
but. it matters not who signs my payslips, as long as i get to deliver a service to those people who need it
im far from facist, i believe that people should support themselves but also pay into the welfare state so that those who cannot (rather than choose not) support themselves are supported through that system
all i object to is those that milk the system when they are capable of supporting themselves
i dont see the problem with that?
the other extreme is that none of us work and therefore all of us rely on the state to support us.. but that dont work cause who is there to pay the taxes to fund the state?
the vast majority of arguments here seem to be based in the concepts of "rights without expectation of responsibility"
mmm the nazi's are mentioned again
perhaps citing godwins law here wouldnt be out of place?
Yeah yeah. Your particular take on moral choice is uniquely fascinating I'm sure. How do you know my laziness and selfishness isn’t a proper disability? Coz I pass a Turing test? Or that it falls outside the basket of official ineptitudes recognised by Victorian values?
why haven't i signed up?
no i dont work for the "nash" which i am guessing is some slang for the social?
i work for a drugs and alcohol community treatment service. used to be nhs, done 19 years in nhs, then it was privatised my job along with it
but. it matters not who signs my payslips, as long as i get to deliver a service to those people who need it
im far from facist, i believe that people should support themselves but also pay into the welfare state so that those who cannot (rather than choose not) support themselves are supported through that system
all i object to is those that milk the system when they are capable of supporting themselves
i dont see the problem with that?
the other extreme is that none of us work and therefore all of us rely on the state to support us.. but that dont work cause who is there to pay the taxes to fund the state?
the vast majority of arguments here seem to be based in the concepts of "rights without expectation of responsibility"
mmm the nazi's are mentioned again
perhaps citing godwins law here wouldnt be out of place?
i thankfully don't know what Godwins law is, i have a life
Too busy "hatin' Thatcher". Flattering your limiting beliefs because you’re afraid to turn thought into any action other than protest or some other futile expression of negative emotion.
what do you suggest?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
No, what you originally said was
perhaps he could get a job and stop living off my taxes?
there are very few illnesses/disabilities that prevent any work
And we're obliged by honour to be completely consistent across every post we make. Reminds me of this slightly autistic middle manager who throws a tantrum every time someone changes their mind from one meeting to the next.
“That’s not what you said last meeting!”
“What of it?”
“It’s not what you said!”
“Your point?”
“It’s not what you said!”
“That’s not what you said last meeting!”
“What of it?”
“It’s not what you said!”
“Your point?”
“It’s not what you said!”
same thing just less emotive
if you can work, any work, then you should work*
if you cant work in any work, then the welfare state should support you
is that meeting both statements clearly enough?
*source, me, its my opinion, that i am entitled to, without being to told to fuck off cause i am a nazi cunt
or is the only opinion allowed to be expressed is that which fits with the idealistic and likely unachievable class war idealogy, thats seemingly pervading throughout these "discussion" boards
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
I'm fucking glad I've got a job. Whether I keep it or not remains to be seen and is out of my hands. It's just one, purely selfish reason why the plight of those finding themselves reliant on the benefits system is something I should be interested in.
Human decency, that's another - Selfish as well if you look at it right.
Human decency, that's another - Selfish as well if you look at it right.
yet you're setting yourself up as being able to judge who is capable of working
yes, in a manner.
the dwp write to me to get my clinical opinion (one that i am qualified and legally authorised to make) on the nature and impact of Mr X's illness/disability and how this effects daily living activities. what medications he is on including side effects and also for a prognosis
this report is then made use of, along with the GP medical report, any other reports from hospital consultants etc to inform a decison making process by the medical panel at DWP
or do we just take peoples word for it?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
your clients must really hate you
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Just to clarify - you seem unable to think critically about the nature of work and the fact that work isn't always that great for people
because i do my job and i do it well?
it is my job to make decisions based on clinical evidence
it is not my job to collude with people
i am also instrumental in child protection proceedings, sometimes this mean i cast an opinion which leads to children being removed from an abusive family
should i take the families word for it that they dont neglect or beat their child?
sometimes i have to make unpopular decisons, that is part of the role i have taken on
i do it in a clinically evidenced based manner, not one that is influenced by my emotive or political slant
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
ok, well sometimes work isnt always great for me......
on thursday i had to make decisions at work that may now lead to a mother loosing her kids. if she does, she may well take her own life
the decisons and actions i undertook, were the right ones but also painful ones
i didnt want to go back to work the next day and possibly have to go througj it all again
is that ok with you? are you going to pay my mortgage and feed my kids? oh go on, work isnt always that great for me
You don't see that as the system working to tie you in at all? It's all perfectly natural in your mind?
You should be grateful.
Swept into the comfort zone of victimhood and limiting belief like so much spit on the wind. Man up and get off your knees.FreddyB said:
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