welfare state breakdown

[smokedout]

btw your child protection experience?

and that just about sums you up, i told you id been on the end of it - that actually means i know far more about it than some jumped up tit like you

but thats not how you think is it, you know best and you know what is good for everyone, you make me fucking sick

 

[jonajuna]

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[smokedout]

you presumably aware of the pseudo-crap (sorry blags you people follow called the cycle of change and the very real possibility of relapse

as well as the fact that employers are not particularly mad keen to take on people whove spent ten years caning it when due to the current situation theres plenty of people recently made redundant

you just want to make the most vulnerable, including the poor bastards you work with, even poorer, even deeper in poverty and even less likely to ever rise out of it

and given that youre unlikely to see a fall in income tax, this isnt even go to benefit you other than help vent your whining indignation

 

[jonajuna]

blah

 

[smokedout]

so in fact you squandered money to meet your own agenda while failing to deliver the service your were employed and contracted to provide

not professional and not seeing the bigger picture.

yep, and we had a better record of getting people housed, into training and funnily enough into work than every other comparable project in london on a similiar budget

 

[Blagsta]

ok, well sometimes work isnt always great for me......

on thursday i had to make decisions at work that may now lead to a mother loosing her kids. if she does, she may well take her own life

the decisons and actions i undertook, were the right ones but also painful ones

i didnt want to go back to work the next day and possibly have to go througj it all again

is that ok with you? are you going to pay my mortgage and feed my kids? oh go on, work isnt always that great for me

errrrr

 

[Blagsta]

of course thats perfectly "natural"

The way things are currently organised is natural?

As I said - you have no ability to think critically. Shame.

 

[Blagsta]

really so all the times that i have already said that those who are genuinly ill or disabled to the point they cannot work should of course be supported by the state.... i actually wrote "fuck em all"



indulge me, ffs, you say say im self important????

so those (GENUINE FUCKING CASES ASIDE) people that could work but blag the sick that get caught out and put onto jsa/is who dont find work, are then subject to everyone else who is unemployed, they keep looking, prove they are looking (seeing as they are not working..... its not unreasonable to expect them to actually fill their day looking for work) and hopefully, eventually they will find work

or they could re-educate, other training scheme, do some (limited) voluntary work or god forbide, do upto 16 hours a week on agency/ bank work. this doesnt effect your jsa claim (as long as you are not fiddling the dole and actually declare it)


so what is it you do for a living?

As a drug worker, one of the most important parts of my job is to listen to people and try and empathise, to try and see things from their pov. If that pov is that they're not ready or able to work then I have to listen to that. I have to then work with that, find out what it is that is stopping them or find out what they like doing, what they might want to do and work with that. It's not my job to police the dole queue.

 

[smokedout]

t's not my job to police the dole queue.

not yet anyway

(not a dig btw, but anyone involved in 'social services; for want of a better term is expected to become a policeman, its starting in statutory services and jona is a fine example of it, but the voluntary sector is fast falling in line - thats why i left Txxxrxxxx)

 

[Blagsta]

not yet anyway

(not a dig btw, but anyone involved in 'social services; for want of a better term is expected to become a policeman, its starting in statutory services and jona is a fine example of it, but the voluntary sector is fast falling in line - thats why i left Txxxrxxxx)

I actually had an interview for a supposed "aftercare" job in Feb that, during the interview, became clear it wasn't at all but was in fact a welfare to work job. I made my feelings very clear what I thought about that! Needless to say I didn't get offered the job!

 

[jonajuna]

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[Carousel]

but ill indulge you, what do you recommend, when all these people who have been shifted off ib onto jsa and are still unable ro find work

what should happen then?

Intriguing challenge for jona there. Does it make sense though, given you come at it with completely different moralities when it comes to the extent to which we're obliged to support ourselves? It sounds like it can only end in indignation. Abhorrence at what must seem like the horribly cruel outcomes that jona is prepared to risk. Let alone the basic matters of principle at stake. It's like arguing the case for veganism to a butcher. Sorry, that's unnecessarily emotive. You get my drift though.

 

[jonajuna]

blah

 

[Carousel]

Oh charming.

 

[smokedout]

so your project was a complete success and out performed everyone else.....


and your unemployed because?

id rather spend time with my child and pursue my own interests then work for organisations which increasingly expected me to police and monitor rather than actually help and support the people i worked with

 

[smokedout]

what you have failed to see from what i have written ad nauseum, is that people IN TREATMENT constitute part of the GENUINE IB claimants and these people will continue to recieve REPORTS FROM ME AND OTHERS LIKE ME that will CONTINUE to SUPPORT their remaining SIGNED OFF AS UNFIT FOR WORK

as i have said before, if i am made aware of the upcoming IB review, i help the GENUINE claimant with their claim including providing my details and the details of any other professional involved in their treatment. through this work i do with people i have NEVER HAD A CLIENT LOSE THIER IB CLAIM. sometimes clients choose to do the paperwork themselves and not make me aware of it. they often then lose their claim. they then seek my help on the matter. i HELP THEM APPEAL and go through the process i would have done with them in the first place. NONE of the people i have gone through this process with have lost the appeal.. i'll say it in a different way in case you find that hard to understand WHEN I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN IB CLAIMS OR APPEALS, ALL OF MY CLIENTS HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.... why? am i superman?..... no, because for GENUINE PEOPLE who are actively in treatment and have this evidenced by health professionals......because they are ill THE SYSTEM FUCKING WORKS

yay capital letters, always a sign of a keen intellect at work

i dont think you have much understanding of the scope or intention of this new legislation

i dont actually think you have much understanding.

 

[jonajuna]

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[Blagsta]

I'm a tier 3 worker and former tier 2 worker. It is not my job to police the dole queue. It was never my job to collude either.

You've got some weird ideas.

 

[jonajuna]

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[jonajuna]

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[jonajuna]

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[jonajuna]

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[smokedout]

while expecting the tax payer to pay for your choice

yeah, of course i could go back to 9-5 work and let my child grow up without a father

 

[Blagsta]

while expecting the tax payer to pay for your choice

i see now why you cannot accept what i am saying

thanks

So you think that money is more important than family relationships?

 

[smokedout]

a presumption there

im ex stat and current voluntary sector

well you prove my point, the statutory sector is full of state lackies like you, as more of you move into the voluntary sector then sadly that is changing as well

 

[jonajuna]

blah

 

[Blagsta]

Errrr...why not read what I actually wrote?

I said "It is not my job to police the dole queue."

 

[ericjarvis]

what?

pretty much everyone has a job that is based on their ability to do that job

other than gordon brown

Again a message from a fantasy world.

People get jobs based on their ability to get that job. Sometimes that reflects their ability to do the job, sometimes it doesn't have anything to do with it. In many organisations the only way to deal with somebody who can't do their job is to promote them out of the way. Which doesn't put them into a job they can do, but means they screw up a completely different set of people. Common practise at management level in public service jobs, in the "professions", in academia, and at senior management level in the private sector.

 

[jonajuna]

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[Blagsta]

Ahhhh, you subscribe to a very individualist view of the world.