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Facial recognition cameras in a police state

Pickman's model said:
Not entirely hand in hand. There are some cctv schemes which use facial recognition but as a proportion of cctv they are almost infinitesimally small. The far greater - 99.9%+ - simply records and is periodically recorded over. Cop use of fr uses vans rather than street cctv cameras on poles. The list of things you can't understand vastly exceeds the list of things you can.
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Yawns....
 
Since starting this thread I noticed that many supermarkets now have cameras on self service tills. I don't recall noticing any warnings that CCTV/cameras are in use and I wonder how many use facial recognition 😡
 
hash tag said:
Since starting this thread I noticed that many supermarkets now have cameras on self service tills. I don't recall noticing any warnings that CCTV/cameras are in use and I wonder how many use facial recognition 😡
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Were I a shoplifter or thought abusing the supermarket staff was OK I'd be very worried.
 
hash tag said:
Since starting this thread I noticed that many supermarkets now have cameras on self service tills. I don't recall noticing any warnings that CCTV/cameras are in use and I wonder how many use facial recognition 😡
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I don't know why you'd expect separate warnings in each area they use cctv
 
hash tag said:
Since starting this thread I noticed that many supermarkets now have cameras on self service tills. I don't recall noticing any warnings that CCTV/cameras are in use and I wonder how many use facial recognition 😡
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I've noticed that although i think they always had cameras the new thing is the screen showing you being filmed.
 
hash tag said:
I don't recall seeing any warning, not necessarily by each till.
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sure there'll be something somewhere in the shop to alert you to the chance of cameras being dotted round the place - and altho you may not have noticed them everywhere before the ubiquity of cctv cameras in supermarkets and indeed smaller shops has been a commonplace for some years now. it does rely on someone viewing the footage tho and with dozens of cameras in every eg sainsburys that's a fuck ton of hours to keep an eye on.
 
Pickman's model said:
sure there'll be something somewhere in the shop to alert you to the chance of cameras being dotted round the place - and altho you may not have noticed them everywhere before the ubiquity of cctv cameras in supermarkets and indeed smaller shops has been a commonplace for some years now. it does rely on someone viewing the footage tho and with dozens of cameras in every eg sainsburys that's a fuck ton of hours to keep an eye on.
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I assumed they were always there, but it's to make sure you know you are being watched.
 
mojo pixy said:
I've mentioned her before but she keeps popping up with her 'big brother watch' vanity project. I'll copy-paste an exchange I had with her in may 2013 on FB which I kept, for the record. I was posting under an old FB alias that got changed from Commie Faggots (because FB didn't like 'faggots' in a profile name) to Coffee Maggots, then to Kofi Magots when FB started clamping down on fake names.

Anyway that's just to explain why I'm called Kofi in the exchange! And the blog post mentioned early on was by frogwoman (I'm copying from an ancient PM thread with her)

Silkie Carlo might want disavow her beliefs and actions from that time, I'd support that and stop flagging this up entirely if she did. But it's up to her to do so, and to do so as widely and publicly as her current profile demands; a statement on the front page of the Big Brother Watch website would do. Till that happens, I'll keep reminding anyone who quotes her, of where she comes from, politically....

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Very interesting
 
Pickman's model said:
sure there'll be something somewhere in the shop to alert you to the chance of cameras being dotted round the place - and altho you may not have noticed them everywhere before the ubiquity of cctv cameras in supermarkets and indeed smaller shops has been a commonplace for some years now. it does rely on someone viewing the footage tho and with dozens of cameras in every eg sainsburys that's a fuck ton of hours to keep an eye on.
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At the sainsbury's local near my work the staff wear cameras.
 
mojo pixy said:
Silkie Carlo 2013 cont'd/...

22:14
Kofi Magots
These are two of the most cynical and manipulative cult leaders in the world.
They are NO better than the guys in the Bilderberg meeting.
I'm not the one inviting known, proven antisemites to speak at a party. They can sue for libel - they'd never win.
By the wa, I agree with protesting Bilderberg. I just think more appropriate keynote speakers could have been found.

22:17
Silkie Carlo
Well evidently we disagree on this. But I'm not into keyboard fighting. Please. I am so glad we agree on anti-semitism - I am the first to admit that not everyone who is in this movement shares our view. And I respect your impassioned defence. I just think, wholeheartedly, it is misplaced here. If you can suggest other speakers, please do, I am still booking.

22:36
Silkie Carlo
Please could you consider taking down your post on the events page? It just looks antagonistic. Perhaps you want to post something about anti-Bilderbergers needing to be vigilant to anti-semitism - I agree with that whole heartedly, I fight that battle very hard. But really, let's not antagonise each other or nurture paranoia where it's not due. Peace.

22:49
Kofi Magots
OK, I respect your respect yadda yadda. Still.
You have to understand, I've been seeing this thing grow for years and it's been scaring me since the first one of my hippy friends started telling me the holocaust probably didn't happen the way it happened.
Alarm bells rang, and they've never stopped.
You can't just dismiss my question about zionism and 'regular' nationalism / imperialism with a cheeky 'learn some history'
I know about history - I know about the history of Israel, probably better than you. I've been there, and to the Occupied territories too. I've had a gun pointed my way by an israeli settler. don't come on all 'you need to learn about zionism' - i know about zionism, OK?
I also know about nazis, and the stuff they talk about has never changed. when I first became involved in politics, holocaust daning was a popular pastime among fash I had the misfortune to know; holocaust denial followed by 'but even if it did happen that way, good!'
have you ever heard this? I have. it sickens me.
And of course there are jewish anti-zionists - all good people should be anti-zionists! but not more than anti-any-other-nationalism-and-imperialism-ists.
There is no 'extra' thing on zionism, that is not already nationalism or imperialism, except that it's jewish nationalism, and jewish imperialism.
at least have the honesty to admit it. it's not too late to turn it around. cancel those guys, book Tariq Ali, Tony Benn, or someone from Respect
http://www.respectparty.org/
some actual politics would be a good thing.
the RESPECT party
www.respectparty.org

22:51
Kofi Magots
You can delete my post if you like - nobody's stopping you - but I won't. It's posted now, and if you value free expression and debate, and seeking truth, then let it stay and have people make up their own minds.
I'l leave it up to you.

22:58
Silkie Carlo
I'm also anti-nationalist! I disagree with Jones on a lot! That is inevitable in politics. But zionism is a different form of nationalism. By different, I am not saying worse or better.
I will look up Tariq and Tony Benn - both excellent suggestions. I actually already vetoed Galloway, btw... Guess why?
I would much rather you delete you post than me - I feel like a dick deleting stuff and I hate doing it - but I also hate it when big artists and speakers drop out because of the 'anti-semitic' smear which they believe isn't true, but fear will damage their PR. I understand that fear, because I hate any inference that I'm racist too (and it is so ridiculous based on my personal background..). That happened, shortly after your post, and I have been trying to clear up the clusterfuck all evening. I feel this discussion has been productive, and I'm glad we had it. Moreover, I'm glad we agree on a firm vigilance against anti-semitism. I cherish that. And I think it would be peaceful and in some small degree reparative if you were to post something about antisemitism/your views more broadly, rather than claims against individuals or smears on a peaceful family friendly festival on the whole. Peace.

23:07
Kofi Magots
I'm not saying you are racist, and anyone else who does needs to shut up. I'm on your side there.
It doesn't have to be Galloway (I agree, not him) but there are other people in Respect. Even someone from the SWP if you can find one engaging enough (they're there)
I'm a lefty, and I regret I won't be at the party because when there rich bastards meet it seems like anyone should be there to spoil the atmos. Good on you, I wish I could attend.
But these speakers. I was actually shocked when I saw their names.
Please tell me you booked them to draw a crowd, and not for their sociopolitical analysis. That, I can understand. Jones, I'd even go with - he's got that firebrand vibe to him that even though I disagree with 3/4 of what he says, he's good at motivating people.
Shame he's such a christian fundy knucklehead.
Icke, though. I really think you ought to reconsider. Leaving aside the blatant antisemitism in his books (deny it if you like, it's there whether you like it or not) and the fact that his site promotes some seriously dubious work by some seriously dubious 'academics', he is verging on being - if not actually already - a cult leader.
I think ou're making a mistake allowing him a platform with so many families, which means kids.
Your call, of course. But I have to speak. Someone has to.
Please also understand, I have nothing to gain from Icke or no Icke. I just hate to see good people taken in by con men, and he is one. Large as life.
But, it's just one person's view. Do the research. Join the dots (as Icke says).
I'm not a dick, I'm a nice, serious, intelligent, concerned person who (beieve it or not) is saying this stuff with the best of intentions, not just to put a message across. These guys are dangerous. That's all I'm saying.
Please get some real political speakers.

23:20
Silkie Carlo
I've read Icke's books for years; and bought the books he references; and so on. I see that he is a firm anti-zionist, and I actually don't fully agree with him on the extent of those views, but I don't think he hates the Jewish race. If I did, I wouldn't so much as talk to him. I think he is not vigilant enough though, against anti-semitism. I would berate him for that. That leads to claims and interpretations like yours. I also think our MSM and current government is not vigilant to racism - for example, stirring up Islamophobia with every chance.
I have also reached out to friends in the SWP, by the way. And I booked one of my old Cambridge lecturers (a Marxist) to talk on the tensions between democracy and capitalism.
I invited Icke and Jones because their research and exposure of Bilderburg has been some of the best. There is no denying that. The focus of the event is pro-transparency - but there is no tolerance or platform for racists.
Vigilance against anti-semitism is important in this political community. Delivery and certainty is also important. I wish you could direct your passion in the right place and with less of a confrontational approach, and not on my event page. I have to take the day off work tomorrow because your post convinced one of my headliners that they will suffer PR smears, and now I have to try my damndest to win them back. It's so devastating. I don't know what else to say at this point of personal despair, but yeh, I would just ask that we could publicly make peace on the events page and remove inflammatory accusations. I see that you are nice and concerned and I appreciate that a lot. Peace.

23:40
Kofi Magots
...because there is a war, for your mind. it's all about what people see, not what is true .. really?
so we can live in a dreamworld and avoid reality?
interesting take on things, given the speakers booked.
I think you'd just be happy for me to take down the post i made (having already had it deleted twice, once in my own thread and once in someone else's)
and then, we could pretend this never happened. but it did. it is happening. it's real. here is someone drawing a line in the dand and saying No. I won't accept that these charlatans are anything more than charlatans. dangerous ones. And I will stick by everything I've written here if it comes to it. I haven't said anything anyone would dare sue for.
Not that the guys inside the meeting are better - they aren't. But they aren't worse. Don't guilt trip me into lying, just so you can feel OK about booking well dodgy people to speak at your event.
I won't delete anything, or add anything. it's up to people to draw their own conclusions.
feel free to delete it yourself. i've got screenshots of everything anyway.
Peace, indeed. I often wonder how many people who say that a lot really mean it.
There is no War of Words; words are what we use to avoid war. No need to invoke peace, it exists just fine by itself till someone breaks it.

So there. Why I feel as I do about her input into our collective discourse.
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The standout is her fatuous claim Icke isnt anti-semitic. At the very least she is too stupid to be taken seriously. Well done for flagging her up
 
It’s not just the state to be concerned about. I read the following article a few days ago (although it’s from Feb 2022) about a US company, Clearview AI, that is trying to build a database of every human face in existence, mainly through scraping photos off Facebook and other social media (without permission - there have been subsequent lawsuits). At the time of the article they claimed to have already gathered 10 billion images, with a target of 100 billion. I can imagine all kinds of nefarious uses for this.

arstechnica.com

Clearview AI aims to put almost every human in facial recognition database

Investor pitch said 100 billion photos would make almost everyone “identifiable.”…
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There’s also a search engine for faces, which is well dodgy and reportedly already used by creeps for stalking (photograph a target, then find more images of the same person that could then ID the neighbourhood or home they live in)

arstechnica.com

Search engine that scans billions of faces tries blocking kids from results

PimEyes is “still perfecting” its AI age-detection system.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com
 
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