welfare state breakdown
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again agreed, but "labouring" is part of what we are as social animals. without work its difficult to attribute meaning to our lives, a sense of self, presents a lack of "label" (not getting into that argument.. we just need them ok!
) limits social circle (as said) and so onthe benfits of working far outstrip any downside
what is life without hopes and aspirations?
remain undecided on that.. had faith, lost faith, atheist (a faith) agnostic.. exploring other faiths, faith in drugs... now im just confused
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
hiya again eric
fond of saying the same thing.. i guess that's an attribute from your parliamentary days?
dont understand this concept of support for the welfare state but your taxes are only your taxes and only you can claim them...... so whose taxes pays for al the other people who claim benefits but haven't paid taxes?
The point is that's no more ludicrous an assertion than your claim that your taxes are paying for any other individual's benefits. Taxes go into a general pot and we elect a government to decide what to do with it as well as setting the level of taxation. If you have a problem with that you should start by demanding an end to representative democracy. If you have no problem with it your comments make absolutely no sense. The fact that millions of other people are as dumb and self obsessed as you doesn't make it logical.
Do you understand the concept of past, present and future. In the past I paid my taxes on the understanding that money I was paying in the present would be going into the pot I might have to draw out of in the future if my circumstances changed. After several decades of work I got ill. At present I draw on the pot of money I contributed to for decades in order to give me the chance to recover my health and thus be able to make a contribution again in the future.
You may live in some sort of "eternal now", but most of us live in the real universe.
That simply isn't true. There are a number of conditions that would make somebody unfit to work whilst still capable of riding a bike. In my case I can't currently do either, but it's quite possible that I could recover enought to ride a bike before I recover sufficiently to go back to work. Are you sure you are basing your posts on any real information, or are you just retreading Daily Mail editorials?
as an ex parliamentarian, you really should be more careful what you say in public, in writing, on the internet[/QUOTE]
Past present and future again. Do you understand the concept of having done something in the past and expecting to be able to do it again in the future, or are you completely incapable of coping with a concept as basic as time?
Either you are a complete moron, or you are an amazingly self righteous twat. Or possibly both.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
again agreed, but "labouring" is part of what we are as social animals. without work its difficult to attribute meaning to our lives, a sense of self, presents a lack of "label" (not getting into that argument.. we just need them ok!
the benfits of working far outstrip any downside
As I said, we need things to do, but employment as currently organised is not about attributing meaning or any of that, it's about capital and profit. That is often detrimental to people's well being.
again agreed, but "labouring" is part of what we are as social animals. without work its difficult to attribute meaning to our lives, a sense of self, presents a lack of "label" (not getting into that argument.. we just need them ok!
and you base this assumption on what exactly
right lunch over, back to the grindstone
bitch eh
yeah for the poor bastards that have to suffer you for the rest of the day
no jonas sense of self demands it, we havent actually heard what his clients might think
eh? are you even suggesting that working is not healthy and "normal"
weve always done it from days of "working" to collect our fruit and nuts to working in todays system in exchange for tokens which we then exchange for our fruit and nuts
even those whose life style i envy (probably in an ill informed way) that have truely opted out of the rat race and are self sufficent with regards their energy and nutritional needs, work.. they grow their food, generate their power and maintian their life style through this "working"
they dont have some bloke that comes round and does it for them out of the kindness of his heart
but if you want a psych paper analysing the role and purpose fo worke for our mental well being, you couldve googled it for your self
"The primary theme of this article, which serves as the introductory contribution of a special section of the "American Psychologist," is that work plays a central role in the development, expression, and maintenance of psychological health. The argument underlying this assumption is articulated at the outset of the article in conjunction with a historical review of vocational psychology and industrial/organizational psychology. The article follows with an overview of contemporary vocational psychology and a presentation of the psychology-of-working perspective, which has emerged from critiques of vocational psychology and from multicultural, feminist, and expanded epistemological analyses of psychological explorations of working. Three illustrative lines of inquiry in which research has affected the potential for informing public policy are presented. These three lines of scholarship (role of work in recovery from mental illness; occupational health psychology; and working, racism, and psychological health) are reviewed briefly to furnish exemplars of how the psychological study of working can inform public policy."
but i forgot,,, people want everyone else to meet their needs for them
i endoevouir to meet my cleints needs based on what they say they want.. i may discuss with them hether their wants are realistic and achievable, but if its legal and within the remit of the service i work in, i will do my utmost to either deliver it for them or enable them to deliver it for themselves
preferably the latter, its worth more if you gain it for yourself
You said it better than i could, and to add to that ....
You (Jona) say you like your job, in which case what is it in life that is making you so bitter towards the disabled?
again agreed, but "labouring" is part of what we are as social animals. without work its difficult to attribute meaning to our lives, a sense of self, presents a lack of "label" (not getting into that argument.. we just need them ok!
the benfits of working far outstrip any downside
at Macdonalds?
so do you work for the nash?
does he work at the nash? A mate of mine does and he is seriously thinking of packing his job in as he is simply embarrassed about the Govt's workfare proposals which are straight out of the BNP handbook...
Whilst we're at it. Let me add we're not talking about some property magnate in a wheel chair here. By disabled we mean the ones that happen to be poor besides. The bitterness comes from the “Christian” deliberation on moral choice. You know. Like the parents-on-benefits thing.
shouldnt you be working
Dunno. Sounds more like some third party agency like AddAction or whatever. Careful with that BNP reference by the way. Cheap shots like that only advance their case. The BNP if anything are distinctly anglo-saxon welfarist. It is the National Health Service after all.
being anti welfare state like Jonas is , is a nazi policy. Hitler was the same.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
You're missing the essential point - work in a capitalist society is not the same as work in a hunter gatherer society. The nature of social relations, property relations etc is different.
ok tell us the NICE said of fascism!
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
put Carousel on ignore, it makes these threads far less irritating
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