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Weasel Straw strikes again (Pakistani men in Britain see white girls as "easy meat")

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Given that in my experience, a seeming anti-racist will resort to calling people racially inspired names if there are in a temper or that so called anti-mysogynists will also resort to calling women 'silly girls' when it takes their fancy, I don't think I skipped an important point at all.

Rape is a dehumaninsing and violent crime. That racialised language/epitaphs was used to enforce that dehumanisation and distancing between victim and perpetrator is no surprise to me.

You deny there's any problem?

You think Jack Straw invented it all, and Scandanavian and Indian and other countries that have expressed similar problems are making it all up for islamophobic reasons?

Then yes - you really are a silly girl. If that makes me a sexist so be it. DrRingDing is a silly little boy, if it makes you feel better.
 
Its a bit difficult whether you think your ego is bigger than your head or the other way around, either way don't let that get in the way of actually reading what i have said on this thread.



You seem to think that this is entirely because they are muslims and that Islam by its very nature says this is ok. You seem to think that once a Muslim always a Muslim and that they are all the same .You make out that this imagined muslim community colludes with all this as it is governed by some sort of elder mafia. In fact you googled the web and found examples ,amongst them Iran ,and this would suggest that these lads are somehow being kept up to date with Iranian clerical decisions that justify this sought of behaviour. You claim to have seen more of this little world of ours than many on here and this has included visits to Muslim countries and when not engineering during the day in your role as DJ in Bradford you saw pimps wearing Islamic symbols who also had in their houses tapes ( how quaint in this digital age) of Muslim hate preachers.

The fact that from the 1930s through to the 1950s the Maltese were disproportionately involved in pimping in this country can be dismissed cos they weren't Muslim, the fact that Rasta emblem bearing blacks were involved in pimping and prostitution in the 70s and 80s can be dismissed because they weren't Muslim, the fact that East Europeans have a large stake in human trafficking and organised prostitution can be dismissed because they are Muslim. The fact that gang rape as a punishment and initiation is use by wannabee street gangs ( mainly in London , is it something in the water?) can be dismissed because most of them aren't Muslim gangs.The fact that the percentage of sex offenders who are Asian ( and lets say that the majority of asians might declare their religion as Muslim) is half that of the Asian percentage of the population is irrelevant because it doesn't suit the story about street grooming , rape , prostitution being integral to being a Muslim or indeed joinng the sexual jihad against the indigenous citizens of the UK as I think you put it earlier.

There is a history of kids in care being exploited for prostitution, sexual abuse and recruited into crime gangs. Its happened for years , they go missing sometimes they die of drug abuse sometimes they get murdered. 42% of prostitutes have been in care. Its not often in the press. Who has groomed them over the years ? Well mainly people who can spot someone with low self esteem, easily influenced and flattered to have any attention. it hasn't been a historical criteria that they be Muslim.

The difference here is that so called professionals didn't speak out because they feared being called racist. Griffin and the BNP campaigned on it three years ago , i don't know if it was debated on here but it was discussed on other boards and I and others contributed then on the line that it would be too simple to dismiss the BNP claims just because they came from the BNP. In the main there was a refusal by many to even consider the possibility .Perhaps you felt it safer to come out when Straw said it,even though your experineces as a night time DJ in Bradford told you all that time ago that this was all linked to Islam?

There is no doubt in my mind that Asian males are disproportionately involved in street grooming at this period in time . The problem is that they see these vulnerbale girls not as equals but inferior beings who can be bought and sold and deserve this sort of abuse. I am sure that someone somewhere in Islam deplores the sexual deparvity of western society but so did Mary Whitehouse . The idea of slags getting what they deserve, of bought sexual favours and threats of violence against the more vulnerable isn't religous based its backward reactionary sexism and in these lads case you can add racist sterotyping.The fact that they targeted those at the bottom of the pile shows where they saw the opportunity to abuse.

Your theory on it comes close to the explanations that some people put on the overepresentation of black youth in some parts of London in mugging as it was called then , some thought it was cultural, some thought it was in their genes and some liberal types thought apparently this was to do with fighting colonialism. Not just picking on those who you think you can frighten with a bit of patois but fighting colonialism. In this case its picking on those that you can get away with abusing its not fighting a sexual jihad against the kaffir.

You fucking love it.

Cracking post
 
Then yes - you really are a silly girl. If that makes me a sexist so be it. DrRingDing is a silly little boy, if it makes you feel better.

Yes of course that makes me feel better, silly, over sensitive girl that I am. :rolleyes:

Thank you for making me feel better, no really.
 
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pk earlier today.....and still digging.
 
Yes of course that makes me feel better, silly, over sensitive girl that I am. :rolleyes:

Thank you for making me feel better, no really.

Don't be an idiot. Take a look at what you said for me to call you that originally.
 
You did though. Have you figured out who made the 'assertions' you attributed to me yet?

Yeah, go and find the quotes and post them then, should be simple, right?

You're reading what you want to read. Sorry, I'm not about to make it easy for you. :)
 
Yeah, go and find the quotes and post them then, should be simple, right?

Okay

You can LOL all you like - I'll still be here waiting for you to prove the assertions you have made, after asking you repeatedly. I won't hold my breath.

Here's a reminder:

- Still waiting for a scrap of evidence that Bengali gangs are involved in grooming children for rape from you.

- Still waiting for evidence to back up YOUR blind assertion that the child victims of this case were sometimes muslim.

I've already debunked your myth that this is somehow a new phenomenon.

I have not, at any point, mentioned Bengalis or claimed the victims were muslim, although there is a fair chance some were. You fucked up didn't you.
 
If it were really up to the "Christian" community or the indigenous community of the UK, people who rape children regardless of colour would be hung drawn and quartered.

Unfortunately, because we have a legal system designed to protect us from ourselves, mostly even the most evil predatory pedophiles are only locked up for a few years, then given new identities and released back into the community to re-offend.

So in light of the conviction and the clear evidence of grooming children for gang rape, why is it up to the muslim community to sort this out?

Because muslim lads will listen to muslim elders. They'll no more listen to Jack Straw as I would listen to Anjem Choudhary.


thats fucking yahtzee. Anyone who engaged further lost through falling for this.
 
You missed the point completely. Just keep toking, everything is much simpler there.

Right, so you fucked up on the cocaine slander now you're going for spliffs, LOL Wrong again.

Fantastic hypocrisy again though. All this to avoid answering the weird post you made on page 2 of this thread- why you claimed to have the only beef out of anyone with islam on urban75.

You really are a joke. :)
 
thats fucking yahtzee. Anyone who engaged further lost through falling for this.

How is it?

These cunts we've been talking about for 36 pages will be out in 4 or 5 years.

So there is an issue of "justice".

As to who the muslim men involved in shit like this will listen to - the clerics or the UK government that are bombing the villages of their heritage to shit - I don't think I need to clarify it much better do I?
 
Perhaps you can also find the post where I said the victims were muslim?

I don't believe any of the child victims were muslim.

If you can't be fucked to read the past 4 hours I can't be fucked to help you, whether it was you that claimed it or not.
 
I don't believe any of the child victims were muslim.

If you can't be fucked to read the past 4 hours I can't be fucked to help you, whether it was you that claimed it or not.

Lol. So you can't find a post where I said the victims were muslim, even though you claimed that was what I said.

You are very shit at this.
 
I'm going to post this again:

“In a briefing paper, researchers at University College London's Jill Dando Institute of Security and Crime Science concurred that victims were typically white girls while ‘most central offenders are Pakistani’.”

“…researchers identified 17 court prosecutions since 1997, 14 of them in the past three years, involving the on-street grooming of girls aged 11 to 16 by groups of men.”

“In total, 56 people, with an average age of 28, were found guilty of crimes including rape, child abduction, indecent assault and sex with a child.”

“Three of the 56 were white, 53 were Asian. Of those, 50 were Muslim and a majority were members of the British Pakistani community.”

If people want to speculate on these stats, or indeed prove them wrong as the 65 percent Norweigan figure that oddly turned out to be only 6.5 percent, that's up to them.

But these figures, as well as witness statements from all over the world, suggest there is a problem that if viewed without the usual hysteria that goes along with the jihadi type stuff, might be seen as a result of imposing on impressionable young men the nastier islamic teachings in regard to women, and certainly female non-believers.

And I stand by every word I've said, and have tried to reply politely to all.

:)
 
Lol. So you can't find a post where I said the victims were muslim, even though you claimed that was what I said.

You are very shit at this.

surely not another one attempting to derail the thread with obfuscating thread pedantry and claim some spurious "victory" because they simply can't make a decent argument!

I retracted it 4 hours ago. Get reading, or get fucked, I care neither which you choose. :)
 
DB?

You made the claim, back it up.

If I got you confused with eric jarvis - that's what happened - and at 8.30 I made that pretty clear when I edited my post to reflect my mix-up.

For you to roll in at pub closing time and try and pick it apart now (not suggesting you're pissed mind!) does seem a bit naff.

Obviously if you didn't say it, you didnt say it. :) Any danger of discussing the thread topic now?
 
I don't believe any of the child victims were muslim.

If you can't be fucked to read the past 4 hours I can't be fucked to help you, whether it was you that claimed it or not.


....and last night you marvelled at the mistake made by posting that 65% of sex offenders in Norway were Muslim as opposed to the correct figure of 6.5%.


Yeah I know, mistakes happen...it's not your fault!!!
 
Yes, it happens everywhere, we know this. The world is a cruel place.

My assertions do not come from my experiences in Bradford alone, though it's a good example.

The issue is regarding attitudes toward infidel children from SOME muslim men, and the distinct possibility that they may be influenced by the religion that issues fatwas upon those who decry it. It is about attitudes towards women and whether or not the problem with child grooming in the UK is disproportionately carried out by muslim men.

Any stats or evidence to support the notion that other religious groups are doing the same thing to non-believers would be interesting to read.
You are not providing any stats or evidence that support a broad-brush theory about 1.5bn Muslims around the world or even the 1.5m in the UK. You also need to be able to rule out all other likely variables.

I accept that people often persecute, look down on and abuse less powerful groups or 'outsider' - be that based on ethnicity, caste, nationality, religion or poverty. People in every part of the world have been guilty of this. However you are trying to spin some grand meta-narrative out of some guys in Bradford. How about testing how well your theories work in other places and at other times? How about applying your theories to the role of Christianity in european imperialism and colonialism? How about explaining why so many non-muslim men behave in an identical manner - ie exploiting the most vunerable / available / convenient / 'cheapest' and also labelling their victims as 'trash'?

Just to show you where I'm coming from with this, have a quick read towards the end of this recent Economist article where the reporter in India explains how the lower caste women in the village, despite being 'untouchable' due to obligatory contact with dead animals and their neighbourhood being used as the village latrine, are also coerced into providing sex on demand for the village men:

A village in a million

"...There is an exception to the caste divide in Shahabpur, which many Muslim and Hindu men enjoy. For a few rupees or handfuls of rice, they are said to demand and get sex with dalit women, typically just after sundown, when the villagers troop out to the fields to ablute. At an informal gathering of Muslim men outside the house of Anwar Ali—an upstanding clerk, who also housed your correspondent—it was estimated that perhaps 40% of the village’s non-dalit men upheld this ancient tradition. According to Sarju, until Sushila lost her youthful good looks, he suffered near-nightly terrors from drunken patel youths, who came clamouring for her outside his hut..."

So how does your theory about Islam explain this? By the way Bradford has a population of 300,000. Dalits in south asia number maybe 200,000,000.

How about testing your theory out on a country with large numbers of Muslims and Christians, for example the 150 million people of Nigeria (50% Muslims, 48% Christian, 2% Other)? I don't know if this would support or contradict your theory but surely it a wider picture is better than taking a tiny sample?

Surely we need to take a far wider view of pimping, prostitution, rape, trafficking, child abuse etc occur, who tends to be victims and who tend to be oppressors. Basing a theory on some vaguely defined 'muslim' guys in Bradford is fairly worthless in drawing any bigger conclusions. To say anything worthwhile you need to look at the patterns in all parts of the world and identify what they have in common. Islam can't be much an explanatory factor if exactly the same things are happening where it is not involved at all. Taking the wider view it looks far more like it just happens to be an "incidental" variable in Bradford. If it wasn't that they would be out doing the same thing and dressing it up as caste or race or class or citizenship (ie. the self-described 'superior' using the 'inferior' for sex, labour, profit or punching practise). Also not only across the modern world but throughout history - how much of an explanation is "Islam" when European (for example) armies have gone on rampages of rape and murder? Surely a safer conclusion is that men throughout history have been doing this, and that they are labelled Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Bhuddist, 'other' or 'none' hasn't stopped them - or made them more or less likely to do so.

In other words, if you genuinely want to work out the role a variable plays you need to look at enough examples of where it is and isn't present. I suggest that there are enough contemporary and historical examples of non-Muslims doing the same thing worldwide that your theory of it's role is very weak, not plausible at all really. I am however willing to be shown differently and will look at your evidence and examples with an open mind.
 
....and last night you marvelled at the mistake made by posting that 65% of sex offenders in Norway were Muslim as opposed to the correct figure of 6.5%.


Yeah I know, mistakes happen...it's not your fault!!!

And I admitted that mistake straight away when it was pointed out - not a difficult mistake to make when the misprinted figure is quoted as fact all over the internet -however there are other comments that may point toward this as an increasing problem.

The full article -

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece

The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed according to ethnic origin.

Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as Norwegian or western and 14 are listed as unknown.

Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year.
Nine out of ten cases do not make it to prosecution, most of them because police do not believe the evidence is sufficient to reach a conviction.
Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo's Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division says the statistics are surprising - the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear trends.

But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind the worrying developments.

While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population.
Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.

Larsen said that since this was the initial study examining ethnic make-up there were no existing figures to put the numbers into context.
"Meanwhile, it is our general experience that this is an increasing tendency.
We note this by the number of time we need to use interpreters in the course of an investigation
," Larsen said.

Unless they're just making this up...
 
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