Weasel Straw strikes again (Pakistani men in Britain see white girls as "easy meat")

[DrRingDing]

Stick on Newsnight.

It'll be interesting.

 

[smokedout]

i think it's game set and match to pk

so far pk has claimed

that no muslim in britain has ever been pimped by another muslim

that students of a traditional islamic dance who were pimped in the uk were not muslims

that no pakistani woman has ever sold sex in bradford

that any albanians involved in the sex industry are roma

that the hard drinking,drug taking dicks who carried out the crime in the op were devout muslims who acted under the influence of obscure middle eastern clerics (presumably including the alleged bnp bloke)

that there is no pimping of muslim women by other muslims anywhere in the world except for pimping of slaves because theyd never do it to their own (except they probably would but dont)

that any white woman in a mini skirt walking through manningham in bradford will be sexually harrassed

can't say it convinced me

 

[pk]

Have you fuck

Interesting how you have stereotyped muslims in the past without a second thought though isn't it, DrRingDing??

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/threads/122429-What-do-you-feel-about-Islam-in-Blighty

A thread of YOURS from way back.

I'm frustrated with the backward, oppresive and anal culture that exists.

Locking women up until you can marry them off so they can be locked up by somebody else until their hubbys die.

Load of old bollocks.

What is to be done?

Women are treated like dogs

Quite the hypocrite aren't you DrRingDing.

Now fuck off and leave the thread to the grown-ups.

 

[DrRingDing]

I hate Islam, not Muslims.

 

[pk]

so far pk has claimed

that no muslim in britain has ever been pimped by another muslim

I made no such claim, though I'm fucked if I'm taking your word for it that it happens regularly.

that students of a traditional islamic dance who were pimped in the uk were not muslims

Again, you provided fuck all to back it up. Not that dancers who sometimes provide happy endings can be compared to 12 year old children.

that no pakistani woman has ever sold sex in bradford

Again, seriously lacking in credible evidence. And again, no, your word for it isn't worth anything to me.

that any albanians involved in the sex industry are roma

I said something along the lines of the Albanian convictions are not of men who have taken islamic names, and as islam isn't as full-on in Albania as you appear to think, the chances are they were not muslim.

that the hard drinking,drug taking dicks who carried out the crime in the op were devout muslims who acted under the influence of obscure middle eastern clerics (presumably including the alleged bnp bloke)

I haven't said these were devout muslims, but I refuse to believe islam had little influence on their lives, given the arranged marriages they had and the keenness to wear beards long and the robes after they were caught.

that there is no pimping of muslim women by other muslims anywhere in the world except for pimping of slaves because theyd never do it to their own (except they probably would but dont)

Show me evidence of wide-scale pimping of muslim girls by muslim men and I'll take that on board. You have yet to do so.

that any white woman in a mini skirt walking through manningham in bradford will be sexually harrassed

I said it was highly likely. Born out of personal experience and the unwillingness of women I knew to walk the streets after dark.

can't say it convinced me

I'd hope your bullshit statements don't convince anyone else.

If you want to quote me, quote me properly using words I actually typed.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Uh no, that's a lie. Clearly I've been careful to speak only about those who adhere to the more extreme forms of islam.

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you tell such outrageous lies?

You have continuously suggested/implied that the men which carried out these offences did so because they have 'extreme' views because of their Muslim background. Despite this assertion, in their mug shots, we see them as they were arrested, not robed or bearded, that they may have robed/bearded up for court is entirely another matter and you know it. What about the White member of the gang, was he in on it in Allah's name too? Is he a convert?

We also read about what they have done to these young women, and none of it suggests that they were devout, none of it, far from it in fact...yet that doesn't matter to you because in your world 'we are at war after all, both geographically and ideologically' , and as a consequence, any reading/comment you have about what is going on will reflect that.

I do actually.

Yes, you do, this is clear.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

Plenty of evidence posted on this thread already. You choose not to see it, that's your problem.

You numpty I meant there is no evidence that the people in the OP were practicing muslims and no evidence they were influenced by islamism.

Loads of evidence of white men going out to Thailand to abuse women.
Loads of evidence Chinese men make up the majority of Thai brothel punters.
We've done this already, it's irrelevant.

And the vast majority of nonces in the UK are white. You're a plank.

Yeah because the leaders praising straw are the same who bang on about infidels. You're the tool pal.

So you acknowledge the vast majority of muslim groups and Imams are condemning this kind of behaviour, yet you still blame the "muslim community" for encouraging it. And again you say nothing practical at all.

In terms of people having a go at catholic priests, the comparison is not the same. If imams were carrying out sex rings and abusing kids in mosques that would be the equivalent. However if some catholic men were forming gangs to abuse young women you wouldn't say that it was a problem for the catholic community, especially if they weren't even practicing catholics.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

You see I just don't understand this logic - are you excusing the sexual exploitation of young girls by some Muslim men just because some white people go to Thailand to sexually abuse children? Or, are you acknowledging that both are a problem, no matter how widespread or not, that need addressing?

Of course both are a problem. But I wouldn't say that white men going to a Thailand is a problem for the white UK community anymore than I'd say that the blokes doing this are a problem for the UK pakistani community. The blokes in question were held back by their culture and sexually frustrated as you suggest, they were living a western life style.

 

[DrRingDing]

Newsnight now

 

[Grandma Death]

when I was at uni, there were groups of (mostly asian and east european) men who would hang around our road late at night and ask young women (including me on a couple of occasions) if they wanted to go for drinks etc. A mate of mine once decided to go back there just to see what would happen and she said that they went into this room and she saw all of these drugged up teenage girls and young women lying on sofas and loads of people taking drugs. She said that some of them were asleep or didn't know what they were doing - she made a run for it shortly after that because she was so freaked out.

I know that this does happen but pretty sure it's not just confined to one community doing this, right?

Course it happens and its not confined to asian men. Until I see hard statistically evidence that this is more prevalent in the asian community than other sections of society I will always take this with a pinch of salt. There is a cultural attitude by some asian men towards white women-I'd argue there's a negative attitude in a lot of young men to women that crosses cultures and this attitude manifests itself in many different ways-this just being one of them.

 

[DrRingDing]

I wonder if pk conveniently missed that?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Can't really be arsed to read the whole thread, but has anyoneone mentioned the reason why the BNP are not making a meal of this? It's because the white blokes convicted in connection with this are BNP members.

Really? If true it's a great example of the complexities of this kind of thing and why the 'racialising' of it is indeed problematic.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I wonder if pk conveniently missed that?

I didn't.

Figures for the last year. 80% White offenders, victims are not disproportionally White.

What was that organisation mentioned?...I missed the name.

 

[pk]

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you tell such outrageous lies?

You have continuously suggested/implied that the men which carried out these offences did so because they have 'extreme' views because of their Muslim background.

I have suggested, in the face of absolute denial, that it may have been a factor. Their behaviour was certainly "extreme".

Despite this assertion, in their mug shots, we see them as they were arrested, not robed or bearded, that they may have robed/bearded up for court is entirely another matter and you know it.

It shows that they were at least linked to a traditional muslim background. Why didn't they wear suits?

What about the White member of the gang, was he in on it in Allah's name too? Is he a convert?

No idea. You have any idea?

We also read about what they have done to these young women, and none of it suggests that they were devout, none of it, far from it in fact...yet that doesn't matter to you because in your world 'we are at war after all, both geographically and ideologically' , and as a consequence, and any reading/comment you have about what is going on will reflect that.

Google "razzia".

Yes, you do, this is clear.

This last quote was in reply to this question:

Do you see Islam as more barbaric than other religions?

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Can you tell me of another religion that executes people for "blasphemy", and issues death decrees upon cartoonists?

That routinely sentences women (often children forced into marriage) to stoning for adultery?

Honour killings for rejected arranged marriages?

Islamic law forbids Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men, punishable by - yep you guessed it - death.

Islamic law stipulates no penalty for a parent who kills his child.

It is, in my opinion, more barbaric than other religions.

I'm always happy to be corrected though.

 

[DrRingDing]

I didn't.

Figures for the last year. 80% White offenders, victims are not disproportionally White.

What was that organisation mentioned?...I missed the name.

Engage.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I have suggested, in the face of absolute denial, that it may have been a factor. Their behaviour was certainly "extreme".

Extreme behaviour of this kind is not evidence of extreme religious views. The majority of sex offenders in prison at present in the UK are White. Does that reflect their extreme religious views?

It shows that they were at least linked to a traditional muslim background. Why didn't they wear suits?

Perhaps they are trying the old 'I'm reformed, I have found religion' hand?

No idea. You have any idea?

I have idea's about why you haven't considered it or talked about him on this thread. It doesn't follow your agenda.

Google "razzia".

Here we go again, you patronisingly patting my feminine head, thinking that you know and care more than I do whilst simultaneously implying that the behaviour of these men, in the context they have commited these crimes, reflect their 'extreme Muslim' beliefs.

 

[pk]

Really? If true it's a great example of the complexities of this kind of thing and why the 'racialising' of it is indeed problematic.

The ovewhelming prevalence of white girls of victims and the absence of Pakistani girls provides strong evidence for racism.

In addition, racial taunts directed at the victims have been reported and were given by an interviewee on Newsnight on Jan 7th.

 

[pk]

Extreme behaviour of this kind is not evidence of extreme religious views. The majority of sex offenders in prison at present are White. Does that reflect their extreme religious views?

No, that represent the 80 percent majority of white people living in the UK.

Perhaps they are trying the old 'I'm reformed, I have found religion' hand?

Perhaps, but they are still clearly identifying with their religious background. Hardly aethiests are they?

I have idea's about why you haven't considered it or talked about him on this thread. It doesn't follow your agenda.

Believe what you like. I'm sure more facts will emerge, and as I've said throughout I'm prepared to be proved wrong.

Here we go again, you patronisingly patting my feminine head, thinking that you know and care more than I do whilst simultaneously implying that the behaviour of these men, in the context they have commited these crimes, reflect their 'extreme Muslim' beliefs.

Here you go again - unable to accept that there was any racial or religious element to this crime. I actually hope you are right. I just don't think you are.

 

[DrRingDing]

You've been talking out of you arse all the way on this thread.

Knee jerk reactions straight out of the tabloids.

 

[DrRingDing]

Local child rape charity kicks your blinkered and backward views into touch.

You've been spanked.

 

[DrRingDing]

Even the filth says there's no correlation.

 

[Treacle Toes]

The ovewhelming prevalence of white girls of victims and the absence of Pakistani girls provides strong evidence for racism.

I don't doubt that SOME men have these horrifying views of women from 'other' communities and ethnicities. I have no doubt because, as discussed on this thread it is nothing new. I have personally also experienced views like this from men, they have come from a variety of 'communities', I summise that they reflect the attitudes of SOME men, not a specific community.

Why is this not a question of 'access' though?
Why do men like this have access to these girls?

 

[DrRingDing]

Are you going to find some humility or will you continue making a cunt of yourself?

 

[pk]

You've been talking out of you arse all the way on this thread.

Knee jerk reactions straight out of the tabloids.

You've proven to be a racist given your past opinions. You have fuck all credibility, and you're a proven hypocrite.

You don't have the balls to elaborate on your woeful story (lies) that you made up in regards to some muslim woman who turned you down for a shag in favour of an arranged marriage.

And you're resorting to sticking to this thread like a parasitical opportunist with fuck all to say of any consequence.

 

[pk]

I don't doubt that SOME men have these horrifying views of women from 'other' communities and ethnicities. I have no doubt because, as discussed on this thread it is nothing new. I have personally also experienced views like this from men, they have come from a variety of communities. Why is this not a question of 'access' though?
Why do men like this have access to these girls?

Nice of you to skip over the main point of that quote... namely that there was DEFINITELY a racial element to the rapes.

Contrary to your assertions earlier.

 

[IC3D]

Are you going to find some humility or will you continue making a cunt of yourself?

You really are the one doing that.

 

[DrRingDing]

Continue being a cunt it is.

 

[DrRingDing]

Nice of you to skip over the main point of that quote... namely that there was DEFINITELY a racial element to the rapes.

Definitely? So a local charity dealing with sexual abuse of youngsters and the filth dealing directly with rape know fuck all. Certainly not compared to your coke addled noggin.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Nice of you to skip over the main point of that quote... namely that there was DEFINITELY a racial element to the rapes.

Contrary to your assertions earlier.

Given that in my experience, a seeming anti-racist will resort to calling people racially inspired names if there are in a temper or that so called anti-mysogynists will also resort to calling women 'silly girls' when it takes their fancy, I don't think I skipped an important point at all.

Rape is a dehumaninsing and violent crime. That racialised language/epitaphs were used to enforce that dehumanisation and distancing between victim and perpetrator is no surprise to me.

 

[pk]

Definitely? So a local charity dealing with sexual abuse of youngsters and the filth dealing directly with rape know fuck all. Certainly not compared to your coke addled noggin.

That was the VICTIM speaking you fucking retard. Unless you know better...

And I've not done coke for well over a year now. And it was probably two years before that.

Try harder.