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Warrington Bomb Linked to Red Action - BBC News
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Red Storm
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I think it will come available when the programme starts. Otherwise it'll be shortly after it finishes.
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Available up until 7 days later
love detective
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quality work from the bbc:-
'Jan Hayes and Patrick Taylor'
'Jan Hayes and Patrick Taylor'
love detective
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send in the clowns!
This programme is utter , politically illiterate, shite. Ex Red Action members can defend themselves , but , Jesus ! ... just how much (possibly libellous) shite it is may not be obvious to people who aren't aware of the political divisions within Republicanism during the armed struggle in Northern Ireland, including the 1990's period of the Warrington atrocity. For those not au fait with the Warrington bombings , two episodes; a bombing of gas storage units on 25th Feb. 1993, by a Provisional IRA active service unit - followed by shoot out with cops - two of three members of unit arrested - and eventually jailed. Second episode - 20 march 93 - bombs went off in litter bins in busy street killing two - noone apprehended - The IRA later claimed they gave a warning which was ignored.
From Wikipedia:
The day after the bombing, the Provisional IRA admitted that its members had planted the bombs. In a statement, it said:
"Responsibility for the tragic and deeply regrettable death and injuries caused in Warrington yesterday lies squarely at the door of those in the British authorities who deliberately failed to act on precise and adequate warnings."[11]
So note that both events were definitely acknowledged Provisional IRA active service unit actions. Those not familiar with Red Action at the time may not know that they quite openly had friendly personal and political relations with the avowedly revolutionary socialist Irish INLA movement - and RA members were regularly nipping over to N. Ireland to openly socialise with INLA members (being regularly asked for their identities by Special Branch on these trips). But Red Action had NO relations WHATSOEVER with the Provos. Because INLA and the Provos spent a decade or more SHOOTING each other , as absolutely deadly political rivals ! - not co-operating partners on bombing missions ! There is no chance WHATSOEVER of a Red Action connection with the Provisional IRA Warrington atrocity - NONE. Special Branch will have known perfectly well who all the Red Action people were in the North West in 1993 -- and for the reasons I state, which SB were perfectly well aware of , will at the time have discounted any RA involvement - quite rightly.
It's a real mystery what this total libellous crap is all about - it's got Donal's fingerprints all over it. But to what end ? Libelling a now defunct leftie group seems to achieve little. Just a chance to tar the radical Left generally with "terrorism" as the anti austerity struggle slowly starts to heat up - and radical Left views start to get a more sympathetic hearing ?
From Wikipedia:
The day after the bombing, the Provisional IRA admitted that its members had planted the bombs. In a statement, it said:
"Responsibility for the tragic and deeply regrettable death and injuries caused in Warrington yesterday lies squarely at the door of those in the British authorities who deliberately failed to act on precise and adequate warnings."[11]
So note that both events were definitely acknowledged Provisional IRA active service unit actions. Those not familiar with Red Action at the time may not know that they quite openly had friendly personal and political relations with the avowedly revolutionary socialist Irish INLA movement - and RA members were regularly nipping over to N. Ireland to openly socialise with INLA members (being regularly asked for their identities by Special Branch on these trips). But Red Action had NO relations WHATSOEVER with the Provos. Because INLA and the Provos spent a decade or more SHOOTING each other , as absolutely deadly political rivals ! - not co-operating partners on bombing missions ! There is no chance WHATSOEVER of a Red Action connection with the Provisional IRA Warrington atrocity - NONE. Special Branch will have known perfectly well who all the Red Action people were in the North West in 1993 -- and for the reasons I state, which SB were perfectly well aware of , will at the time have discounted any RA involvement - quite rightly.
It's a real mystery what this total libellous crap is all about - it's got Donal's fingerprints all over it. But to what end ? Libelling a now defunct leftie group seems to achieve little. Just a chance to tar the radical Left generally with "terrorism" as the anti austerity struggle slowly starts to heat up - and radical Left views start to get a more sympathetic hearing ?
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Although I'd like to hope this is a viable reason, I don't think it is the reason for the programme.
framed
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Perhaps the Ayatollah might care to read some of the Red Action articles around the peace process contained in the pamphlet 'The Truce Is Out There', which more accurately represent the views of Red Action on Irish republicanism?
Red Action supported broad Irish republican principles and worked in non-sectarian and non-partisan solidarity with many republican organisations and their support groups, both provisional and republican socialist.
Red Action supported broad Irish republican principles and worked in non-sectarian and non-partisan solidarity with many republican organisations and their support groups, both provisional and republican socialist.
I've admitted I'm in the dark for the motive. It isn't even the anniversary . What do you think the reason is ?
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I don't know to be honest.
Could be a range of things but I don't think it's isolated.
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Where is that pamphlet available?
framed
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I thought you might have it already on the archive. I think it was on the old RA site.
If you can't find it, I'll dig a copy out for you.
love detective
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Pardon me , framed, I'm just going from the endless (often very amusing) stories told to me by numerous ex Red Action member comrades themselves. But I'm sure the no doubt excellent pamphlets will give me a much better idea of what actually went on at the time. Nothing like a good pamphlet to clarify the historical record.
framed
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Your stories are from the mid-1980's John, Red Action developed politically and moved on from all those old anecdotes... The IRSP/INLA were a spent force, both politically and militarily, by the late 1980's. Looks like you and all those "numerous ex Red Action member comrades themselves" who told you stories missed an entire decade of political activity. That's probably why you are unable to offer a cogent analysis of Red Action's politics, and you are certainly no spokesman or witness to where we stood in relation to Irish republican organisations.
This will surprise you, but I actually think you may be quite correct that the great tales I have often been regaled with by ex Red Action comrades do indeed, on reflection, peter out by the late 1980's, framed. I therefore unreservedly withdraw my initial posted response to the BBC smear programme, that on political association grounds alone the BBC programme accusation against Red Action in 1993 must have been complete crap. I still think that SB must have had a good look at all the well known RA members in the North West at the time , and definitively ruled them out. I can't help thinking that your ripostes are simply digging you a deeper hole in relation to the BBC accusations, however.
That's right, but I do seem to recall a stronger leaning towards the IRSPs in the early 80's. Probably lost touch around '85.
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