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Ok, I edited my post to put in screenies instead. I skimmed the video. Same old nonsense. That guy who has spent FIVE YEARS on that Panorama segment is a special case.
 
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This is how their filth spreads today - good detailed piece that is all the stronger for not appearing to know who people like Tim Anderson are, or that Beeley is behind 21st Century Wank:

How One Doctor’s False Claim Was Used To Erase Atrocities In Syria: On social media, lies spread faster—and further—than the truth

Claiming to be a cardiologist, Twitter user @Thomas_Binder posted a tweet in the aftermath of the chemical attack in Syria last month accusing medical workers of faking a photo in which victims of the attack were pictured receiving life-saving care. Binder later admitted that the information in his tweet was wrong, but by the time he did so, the false claim had already been retweeted over ten thousand times and used to propagate a smear campaign against the volunteer rescue group known as the White Helmets.

The tweet was never taken down and has since made its way onto other websites and social media platforms, where it is being used as “proof” that the chemical attack was a hoax or a “false flag.” Meanwhile, the correction, which was posted two days later, has barely been noticed, garnering just over 40 retweets since it went up on April 15.

The virality of Binder’s tweet provides important insight into the human factors involved in the diffusion of misinformation (this refers to incorrect information, without assigning intent on the part of those spreading it, unlike “disinformation,” which does imply intentional deception), showing how cognitive biases, ideological motives, social and cultural norms, and characteristics of the misinformation itself interact to fuel a vicious feedback loop. With so many headlines focused on automated accounts (“bots”), online advertisements, and algorithm manipulation, it’s easy to overlook the fact that the problem we are dealing with is, at its core, a human problem.

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To get a better idea of why this particular false claim went viral, how and where it spread, and what role it played in the ongoing disinformation campaign surrounding the chemical attack in Syria, I explored the lifecycle of Binder’s tweet, starting with the origin and moving on to the channels and platforms through which it spread. I also tracked the spread of the “correction” and other attempts to fact-check the original tweet. Finally, I looked at the Twitter accounts that actively spread and engaged with Binder’s tweet, focusing on how users evaluated the misinformation, assigned legitimacy to it, and used it to bolster existing narratives.
 
Beeley turned up at a University of Uppsala summer school and turned it into a farce. Somebody has been telling her to say stuff about the USSR.

Top university’s course turns out to be propaganda

When Anna Marie asked about the origin of materials presented by Beeley for the third time, organizer Simons intervened. He said he would email participants a list of Beeley’s sources. The list arrived the next day but was not exhaustive. After several requests, we were also sent the slides; however, they did not match those presented during the lecture. Beeley deleted the most slogan-like slides (including the one on the photo).

There was a coffee break in the middle of Beeley’s presentation during which we wondered where we were. A propagandist speaking in a top European university! We also discussed how to better put across our questions.

The lecturer called into question all major international organizations. There was no sense in pointing to Human Rights Watch reports as Beeley said it is run by a Jewish organization called the Washington Elite.
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On day four of the summer school, EBS Professor Mari Kooskora finished her presentation with an assignment where she asked participants to critically analyze what they had heard during the summer school. Kooskora’s choice of topic was conscious as a lot of tension was left hanging in the air after the previous day’s presentation where no discussion was made possible.

Most groups analyzed Beeley’s lecture. The blogger was present for the discussion. As she set about justifying herself, debates quickly became heated. A few of the students went for their voice recorders to have proof of the conversation.

“I’m eagerly awaiting to hear of her references. If she [Beeley] thinks she can present information without references…” Kadri Org from the University of Tartu managed to say. “Can I interrupt you there,” Beeley continued, “I did not invent these things. You will have your references.”
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Uppsala University apologizes

“Yes, we organized a summer school here in Uppsala recently that turned out differently than expected,” head of the university’s Russian and Eurasian Studies Institute Claes Levinsson told Postimees.

“We had no prior knowledge of the invited person, and we had no reason to believe that the organizing person here at Uppsala University would frame the summer school into a pro-Assad and pro-Russian event,” Levinsson said.

He agreed with students in that Vanessa Beeley is strongly biased towards Al-Assad and Russia.
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Brit Laak, professor of television journalism who accompanied University of Tartu students on the trip, finds that Simons is either consciously ignoring or fails to understand the core of the conflict.

"Beeley’s presentation would have required a counter-presentation from someone who disagrees; for example, is very critical of Russia’s actions and media. Beeley’s presentation and lack of time for discussion and questions made it look like there was nothing to question,” Laak explained. She added that Beeley attacked students when they tried to ask questions.

"I would never dream of yelling at a student or calling them "just a student” or "a brat” for participating in a discussion and courage to ask critical questions.”
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When she's not addressing her usual rabble of culty loons and casually brown type freaks and is unable to have people thrown out for calling bullshit, she falls to pieces.
 
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follow-up for those that missed it
The Uppsala University has issued an apology over the presentation of freelance blogger Vanessa Beeley at its recent war reporting summer school.

Beeley’s texts have been published by the Kremlin’s mouthpieces. The university writes that its Institute for Russian and Eurasian Studies (IRES) was not aware Beeley had been invited. The university said that IRES was informed only after her presentation.

“The head of IRES looked into the incident and met with the research fellow who invited Beeley. “IRES holds the fact Beeley was invited to be completely unacceptable and apologizes to students, employees and partner universities,” the press release emphasizes.
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Momentum FB site posted that picture of the young boy in Syria who was blown up, blood on his face, etc, the amount of posters who I assume going by other posts are on the left, saying it was "fake" "white helmets set up" was very significant.
 
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Momentum FB site posted that picture of the young boy in Syria who was blown up, blood on his face, etc, the amount of posters who I assume going by other posts are on the left, saying it was "fake" "white helmets set up" was very significant.
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I subbed to a chap on youtube called gordon Dimmack who on more benign and less involved issues says things I agree with (eg: give epileptic kids cannabis if it helps them). Turns out he's another of these "if you like the white helmets, you're an imperialist". So many channels are full of this, and they never think critically. If you try and point out counter evidence they dismiss the source. I cited Snopes. Now I have no idea if Snopes are ultimately a bad source, they don't seem so. But it was dismissed out of hand, along with some other links I provided, of which said link was but one.

How do you combat this? Certainly not on Youtube and the comment section there, unless you want to get dogpiled.
 
Galloway on the radio loving the fact the OPCW found no nerve gas evdience in Dhouma. Neglects to mention they found chlorine
 
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Galloway on the radio loving the fact the OPCW found no nerve gas evdience in Dhouma. Neglects to mention they found chlorine
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I post this with zero agenda- wld appreciate clarification etc if available , debunking if doable - boring comments about Zarb or Oborne less welcome, but , whatevs

 
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I post this with zero agenda- wld appreciate clarification etc if available , debunking if doable - boring comments about Zarb or Oborne less welcome, but , whatevs

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The best thing would be to read the interim report (note: interim) with a critical eye, and read between the lines bearing in mind a) the restrictions that russia have placed on the OPCW's remit through it's use of veto and b) the past manner in which the OPCW has pointed the finger as regards past regime chemical attacks (see final para here) then report it's interim's findings in full and consistently with the claims made beforehand.

The report finds no examples of nerve agents in any of the 4 locations examined - that is the two sites where the gas cylinders dropped from the air were found and two sites the regime claimed were being used by the rebels to develop chemical weapons. However, the did find evidence of "chlorinated organic chemicals" at the two sites with the cylinders. They found none at the sites the regime claimed were rebel chemical weapon facilities. So that's one of the regime and its supporters central struts gone. The report notes the delays and violence which they faced in getting into these locations whilst under regime and russian control and the refusal to grant full access to sites at location 2 (the one with the air-dropped cylinder on the balcony) under the specious and insulting claim that they were not allowed to open civilians locked doors. This from people barrel bombing the country to hell and stealing property left right and centre.

This all leaves the regime and it's propagandists in a bit of a hole - contrary to what Oborne claims (and this is juvenile from him) the claims were of a regime 'chemical attack' - he translates this to specific claims of a sarin gas attack (some people did say they though this was likely/possible). He won't find Theresa May or the govt or the FCO making any such claim. What the OPCW report's interim shows is that "chlorinated organic chemicals" were likely to have been dropped in cylinders from the air - a chemical attack. The rebels have no method of doing this, of dropping cylinders from the air - only the regime and the russians have - and it's been documented they have done this now tens of thousands of times. Second strut of the regime and it's propagandists kicked away. This leaves them having to both support the OPCW and it's findings whilst simultaneously seeking to undermine them in preparation for the full report outlining a chemical attack that only they could have carried out took place. A third strut is also kicked out if they want to claim the OPCW for themselves as well - the one that denied that any such attack ever even took place.

So we have: a chemical attack took place from the air and it wasn't the rebels.
 
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Thread here with graph explaining how Beeley's misinformation regarding the White Helmets found it's way to Trump supporters and Trump via twitter.

 
She blocked me on twitter, which is unfortunate as I now don't have access to the racist tweets she made about 911 that i can show to idiots.

Here is an interview (RT unfortunately) conducted by the odious Afshin Rattansi with the WH leader. Maybe of interest. They subsequently interviewed VB because of course they did.
 
I seem to have ended up in a slagging match on fb with Gilad Atzmon and Troy Southgate after an fb "friend" posted something from Atzmon's blog about the current anti-semitism row. Turns out he's a personal friend of Atzmon's who, after I asked how his gig at Southgate's last get together was, then tagged Troy in too.

I figured this thread has the people in to know of some good sources on Southgate and Atzmon and would appreciate links if anyone has them. Apologies for the slight thread hijack!
 
He really is a numpty. Seems to have gone totally balls deep with his support for Southgate's groupuscule and has been talking in glowing terms about Strasser. Looks like he has actually gone full Nazi but is hiding behind the obfuscatory third positionism of Southgate.
 
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This is how their filth spreads today - good detailed piece that is all the stronger for not appearing to know who people like Tim Anderson are, or that Beeley is behind 21st Century Wank:

How One Doctor’s False Claim Was Used To Erase Atrocities In Syria: On social media, lies spread faster—and further—than the truth

Claiming to be a cardiologist, Twitter user @Thomas_Binder posted a tweet in the aftermath of the chemical attack in Syria last month accusing medical workers of faking a photo in which victims of the attack were pictured receiving life-saving care. Binder later admitted that the information in his tweet was wrong, but by the time he did so, the false claim had already been retweeted over ten thousand times and used to propagate a smear campaign against the volunteer rescue group known as the White Helmets.

The tweet was never taken down and has since made its way onto other websites and social media platforms, where it is being used as “proof” that the chemical attack was a hoax or a “false flag.” Meanwhile, the correction, which was posted two days later, has barely been noticed, garnering just over 40 retweets since it went up on April 15.

The virality of Binder’s tweet provides important insight into the human factors involved in the diffusion of misinformation (this refers to incorrect information, without assigning intent on the part of those spreading it, unlike “disinformation,” which does imply intentional deception), showing how cognitive biases, ideological motives, social and cultural norms, and characteristics of the misinformation itself interact to fuel a vicious feedback loop. With so many headlines focused on automated accounts (“bots”), online advertisements, and algorithm manipulation, it’s easy to overlook the fact that the problem we are dealing with is, at its core, a human problem.

...

To get a better idea of why this particular false claim went viral, how and where it spread, and what role it played in the ongoing disinformation campaign surrounding the chemical attack in Syria, I explored the lifecycle of Binder’s tweet, starting with the origin and moving on to the channels and platforms through which it spread. I also tracked the spread of the “correction” and other attempts to fact-check the original tweet. Finally, I looked at the Twitter accounts that actively spread and engaged with Binder’s tweet, focusing on how users evaluated the misinformation, assigned legitimacy to it, and used it to bolster existing narratives.
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I collected a few bits about this here:

Standalone interesting political articles thread
 
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