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So JK Rowling retweets the New Statesman article.

This is Aaron Bastani's baffling response



I honestly don't know what he's trying to say, but I'm guessing he doesn't agree
 
copliker said:
He's literally a LibDem. In the year of our lord 2018.

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But the few pieces I've read of his are alright. His twitter is unreadable as he spends so much time beefing with 'tankies' and loons. He did a reddit ama if that's any help.
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I can't read the article but his output is some of the most unreadable supporting the rebel position in the war. His AMA for instance explains:

2 - I was a member of the SWP until 2007. I have not been a member of a left wing group or organisation since then, in fact, I would probably class myself as a centrist now. I have a lot of left-leaning ideas such as belief in a welfare state, free education and healthcare but I do not identify as a socialist. I find it hard to endorse any groups as this just opens up a can of worms generally.

3 - AaS are guilty of war crimes. I view nearly all fighting groups in Syria with the same scepticism and distrust. I do not support AaS ideologically or politically, I have condemned their actions on multiple occasions. That said, they are also an important fighting force for the Syrian opposition and must be treated as such in any discussion. I will say that AaS's crimes pale in comparison to those of the regime's and I have met more than one AaS fighter who is simply fighting for the democratic freedoms we take for granted in the West. Or at least that is what they have said to me, I'll leave that for you all to decide.
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He is talking about ahrar-al-shaam who have now merged with the zinki lot. The only reason their crimes pale in significance is because they are smaller and have less reach than the government not for want of trying. His point is basically meaningless more than one regime soldier has explained that they are simply fighting for the freedoms taken for granted in Europe.

Beeley's positions are of course nonsensical.
 
sihhi said:
I can't read the article but his output is some of the most unreadable supporting the rebel position in the war. His AMA for instance explains:



He is talking about ahrar-al-shaam who have now merged with the zinki lot. The only reason their crimes pale in significance is because they are smaller and have less reach than the government not for want of trying. His point is basically meaningless more than one regime soldier has explained that they are simply fighting for the freedoms taken for granted in Europe.

Beeley's positions are of course nonsensical.
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Based on what I've seen from him, I certainly don't consider him capable of conducting a serious analysis of the composition of the armed groups no.

He's only being mentioned here cos he got good numbers on his piece slagging Beeley nearly 2 years too late isn't he.
 
OZK on that AMA :

I do think David Miliband would have made a better leader than Ed and in fact I wish he had become PM instead of Cameron. The future of Labour though? Bleak. If I have to pick anything I'd pick Allison McGovern as shadow foreign secretary, but that's all you're going to get from me re: Labour!
 
Working Group on Syria, Propganda and Media then - straightforward bunch of Assady academics, or is there more to them than that?
 
At least he gets off his arse and does stuff, unlike some.

Not aimed at anyone on here.
 
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copliker said:
They're mentioned in Posts #189 and #197.

9/11 truther joins Syria ‘propaganda research’ group

London Times articles about Assadist university professors
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Ta, I almost found them....read post #198.....

There's no way any of that would convnce any of the naive (lets be generous) anti-western-imperialism folk who are (in my current argument) defending the Chris Williamson bollocks. Not that they matter too much, but it's the majority, who probably aren't really sure, that do, and too much hangs off Vanessa Beeley to convince them, I fear.
 
belboid said:
Ta, I almost found them....read post #198.....

There's no way any of that would convnce any of the naive (lets be generous) anti-western-imperialism folk who are (in my current argument) defending the Chris Williamson bollocks. Not that they matter too much, but it's the majority, who probably aren't really sure, that do, and too much hangs off Vanessa Beeley to convince them, I fear.
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Yes, the only reason they've been set up is to add a respectable looking sheen to Beeley's green ink nonsense and regime intelligence agency jiggery pokery and to distract people from actual OPCW findings. 100 page pdfs probably don't get shared too widely on fb. Their site is so sad. You'd think that between them they could throw up a few bits and bobs to take the bare look off it.

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That Allday guy whose career apparently consists of interning at the British embassy in Syria has been pushing a blatant lie about Oz Katerji, claiming he photoshopped a tweet when all that happened was that chrome's autotranslate changed the word 'its' to 'his'.
 
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butchersapron said:
And here a much fuller report from attendees - which handily outlines her views for those that may be just coming fresh to this thread after Chris Williamson's obscene idiocy:

Top university’s course turns out to be propaganda

The lecturer called into question all major international organizations. There was no sense in pointing to Human Rights Watch reports as Beeley said it is run by a Jewish organization called the Washington Elite.

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Beeley played a video of “Syrian terrorists” blowing up a five-story hotel. “Where is this video from? Who made it?” Uppsala University student Anna Marie asked. “It was taken by a good friend of mine,” Beeley replied.

Anna Marie asked for the friend’s name. “It does not matter. All source identifiers will be given at the end of the presentation,” Beeley said.

When Anna Marie asked about the origin of materials presented by Beeley for the third time, organizer Simons intervened.

He said he would email participants a list of Beeley’s sources. The list arrived the next day but was not exhaustive. After several requests, we were also sent the slides; however, they did not match those presented during the lecture. Beeley deleted the most slogan-like slides (including the one on the photo).
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I saw someone point out that the slides she was using are Tim Anderson's. I checked it out and they were correct.

From Beeley's blog.

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Her background in waste management and recycling certainly comes in handy in the topsy turvy world of conspiraloonery. So how much of her guff is not actually her own work.

Oz getting the mention reminded me of this malevolent lunacy. I wonder how many people she and her nutter followers have tried to harass in this fashion.

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copliker said:
I saw someone point out that the slides she was using are Tim Anderson's. I checked it out and they were correct. Her background in waste management and recycling certainly comes in handy in the topsy turvy world of conspiraloonery. So how much of her guff is not actually her own work.

Oz getting the mention reminded me of this malevolent lunacy. I wonder how many people she and her nutter followers have tried to harass in this fashion.

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I got a few messages on Facebook from her supporters after she mentioned me.
 
Geri said:
Oh yeah, he put a photo of me on one of his mad memes.
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Not just that, he called you a jihadi terrorist or something - so this international network of freaks who are expanding in influence are pointing the finger at others to get them in serious trouble with the state. We have has since then two attempts by people associated with the group belboid mentions above to get someone fired and another thrown off their PhD. Step by step...
 
Extract from some jabbering between Beeley, Henningsen and the norn iron saddo Mike Robinson in November 2015, a couple of days after the Bataclan massacre. The context being their belief that AQ/ISIS are innocent and the massacres are false flags ("Gladio 2.0").

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There is a burgeoning alternative apparatus in France and this is what I think they're going to start and try to hit because they are worried by it, I mean there's organisations like Egalite Et Reconciliation that's run by Alain Soral. Alain Soral basically predicted this over three years ago now, he said this is where we're heading. We have Panamza who did an absolutely fantastic job on completely deconstructing the Charlie Hebdo attacks within days of the attacks, they were on it and their investigation was probably the benchmark for most people that were looking for information on it being a false flag, so there are if you like underground dissident media in France that are definitely going to pick this up and run with it.
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Panamza = nasty conspiraloon Hicham Hamza. His made up Charlie Hebdo guff was debunked (in forrin) by witness Martin Boudot.

 
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Soral got fined €6000 in December 2017 for selling this poster on his E&R site. It depicts a woman dressed in a corset, with stars of David on her breasts, standing in front of the entrance to Auschwitz, holding coins in one hand and a bra in the other.

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He has a long record of this stuff and no point in going through it all but in June he got suspended sentences and fined for these two.

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Geri said:
At least he gets off his arse and does stuff, unlike some.

Not aimed at anyone on here.
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Oz is a thoroughly decent human being. 2 years ago he was running an aid warehouse in Greece for Help Refugees, rather than writing articles. Different views on which is more useful- I suspect it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.
 
Manter said:
K worked really hard on that. He's being massively and predictably trolled, but he is completely open to corrections and clarifications- if he sees them through the 14,000 people declaring him gestapo
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It's been removed by Medium, apparently at the behest of the free speech for Alex Jones people. Archived versions available. Eg here.
 
copliker said:
It's been removed by Medium, apparently at the behest of the free speech for Alex Jones people. Archived versions available. Eg here.
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Yup, he's archived it in a few places because he knew they'd do that. Two Russia today 'articles' (hatchet jobs) on him and his ex wife being targeted and harassed. Assadists are truly a delight. Edit; but as he says, by virtue of his passport, all they can do to him is be low level dicks over the internet...
 
Manter said:
Don’t tell him, Pike! The laughable (yet sinister) list of ‘Internati… Three articles in RT! He's rattled them, clearly
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Neil Clark said:
For the Red Army 1941-45, read the Syrian Arab Army 2011-18. For the Battle of Stalingrad, read the Battle of Aleppo.
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Back when he was cheering on al-Zarqawi and the lads, and claiming in the wake of 7/7 that the IRA were way worse than AQ, Galloway also claimed that Fallujah was Stalingrad. Aside from all the other problematic aspects to this analogy, every far right group in the world and beyond supports Assad without any mealy mouthed guff and uses Beeley's conspiraloonery as justification. Clark is a member of Beeley's freak roadshow and knows this but he also knows he can get away with it.

Brandon Turbeville put up his own Assadist roll call. 'Who the fuck is that?' He got a mention earlier in the thread.
...yet another everything-that-happens-is-a-false-flag loon. His reading list and site recommendations includes Icke, Tarpley, Engdahl, Chossudovsky, anti-vaxxers, 9/11ers, Hayek, bowtie libertarians, Alan "predictive programming" Watt, Bartlett, Beeley, Jon Rappoport (#1050 on the Encyclopedia of Loons), pedophile cult (Children Of God) boss Zen Gardner...
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copliker said:
It's been removed by Medium, apparently at the behest of the free speech for Alex Jones people. Archived versions available. Eg here.
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sadly, as with other sites I've found, that's only the front page list and clicking through to individuals brings up Medium pages which no longer exist. Mostly the internet is full of pages rubbishing his list. Do you know if it's fully archived anywhere?
 
newbie said:
sadly, as with other sites I've found, that's only the front page list and clicking through to individuals brings up Medium pages which no longer exist. Mostly the internet is full of pages rubbishing his list. Do you know if it's fully archived anywhere?
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I think the links are supposed to go to points further down the page - so it is actually all there. You just need to scroll down to the right alphabetical point.
 
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