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have trawled this thread forever = there's a lot to take in - but quick question, the idea of Hamas as having been 'enouraged' / given a helping hand along the way, by Israel, to foster divisions vs secular PLO / Fatah ( there s a video on the R Gift FB page ) - once you've spent too long on this thread, sounds like a classic Beesleyite type conspira theory, but this is actually true isn't it ? ( as per Al Quaeda origins in US trained Mujahadin )
 
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Riklet said:
Yeah he's definitely got some dodgy views and has said some stuff regarded as Jewish anti-semitism, although I dont know the details really. Brief look at Wikipedia shows these kind of comments:



You would think the festival would be super super cautious about getting rid of these kind of people and better yet, challenging the thoughts and views they have promoted which have gained ground in the Left.

Good work folks on getting rid of Beeley and her ilk from events. What we need is political education now to stop their dodgy conspiraloon pro-Assad "anti-imperialism" from continuing to gain ground on social media etc.
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I see Gilad Atzmon is performing / speaking at openly fash / " National Anarchist" Troy Southgate's event in June :

 
cantsin said:
have trawled this thread forever = there's a lot to take in - but quick question, the idea of Hamas as having been 'enouraged' / given a helping hand along the way, by Israel, to foster divisions vs secular PLO / Fatah ( there s a video on the R Gift FB page ) - once you've spent too long on this thread, sounds like a classic Beesleyite type conspira theory, but this is actually true isn't it ? ( as per Al Quaeda origins in US trained Mujahadin )
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I remember a documentary a few years ago on proper telly where they interviewed an ex-Mossad guy who spoke of this. I think there’s some logic behind it in not just undermining the PLO but also by giving themselves a less palatable opponent - harder for international opponents of Zionism to stand alongside Hamas than the PLO.
 
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Part three of the Fightback article on the “red - brown zombie plague”
The Red-Brown “zombie plague” PART THREE
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v useful, ta ( as is whole thread )

and tackles the ' why choose to die on this particular hill' question v simply at the end - eg : must admit, cldnt really understand the growing hostility to Pilger ( and to a lesser extent Fisk - ie : cld understand it more) , as if all his previous work was negated by what seemed a contestable position re: Syria, and more widely, didnt quite get this constant focus on alleged Red-Brown alliance - all is becoming clearer.
 
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BTW Alex thomo on c4 (oh he's great, he doorstopped kelvin mackenzie) going full beeley with a regime observer two foot away the oxbridge twat. Interviewing people under the same watchful eye and asking them what they thought about the non existent ongoing us/uk/France attacks on assad military positions. This is exactly in line with the pilger and Fisk stuff, the later warning about forms of embedded reporting. Classic example here.
 
CNT36 said:
He's been mentioned a few times on the boards and I had the misfortune of attending a talk of his at Rebellion festival a few years back so posted about it in the relevant thread. Does more festivals than fucking Coldplay.
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Yes the name rang a bell and a forum search was helpful ta.

William F Engdahl was on Henningsen's 21st century wire show again this week. He gets a mention in Vagabond's Third Positionism piece but this is from Counterpunch in August 2017.

Since publishing his first book Engdahl has continued his prolific publishing record by writing for New Age neo-fascist magazines like New Dawn. Building upon his credentials as an oil historian he now publicises his conversion to the latest right-wing conspiracy craze that asserts that oil is actually limitless and not actually a fossil fuel (in this Engdahl consciously drew upon Stalinist research carried out by Russian and Ukrainian scientists in the 1950s). Engdahl’s ability to read conspiracies into any subject are truly second to none: a couple of years ago he chose to misinterpret medical research that actually highlighted progress in the struggle to fight cancer in order to write an article asserting that scientific evidence proved that chemotherapy, not cancer, is the real killer!
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Engdahl it seems is a man with a special mission, and in recent years he has served on the advisory boards of two neo-fascist journals that were published in Italy (Geopolitica which was edited by a leading member of Dugin’s International Eurasian Movement, and Eurasia, Rivista di Studi Geopolitici which was published and edited by Italian Nazi-Maoist Claudio Mutti). Engdahl is also a regular contributor (like Kerry Bolton, New Zealand nazi) to the articles and videos produced by the neo-fascist Russian think tank Katehon – a group funded by billionaire philanthropist Konstantin Malofeev whose work is overseen by the close Dugin-ally and homegrown Ukrainan esoteric fascist, Leonid Savin. In line with this political orientation, Engdahl additionally writes and acts as an advisor for Veterans Today, an organization that, in the name of opposing warmongering, does yeoman’s service to popularizing anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.
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As mentioned earlier, Henningsen writes for this 'New Dawn' loon mag. Good job those on the left, including the Peter Hitchens retweeters who imagine they're too clever for this guff, who use this sweaty ponytailed bollix and his appalling site as a source of information.
For those who simply don’t have the time to keep up with the latest extraterrestrial elite machinations and the New World Order’s genocidal plots, you should know that New Dawn is a big-hitter in the field, with bimonthly issues over-brimming with ‘adverts’ for alternative medicine boosted by all manner of quasi-fascist nonsense. The latest issue of this bloated magazine leads with the article “Putin takes on the U.S. Deep State” (July/August), with the author of this piece being former InfoWars editor, Patrick Henningsen. Most notably the only politician listed on New Dawn’s roll-call of endorsers for their verbose tosh is the neo-fascist, Alexandre Dugin, who they correctly identify as the “leader of International Eurasian Movement.” As Dugin’s endorsement explains: “New Dawn magazine is one of the best sources of realistic information on the state of things in our world as it nears its inevitable and predicted end.”
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butchersapron said:
BTW Alex thomo on c4 (oh he's great, he doorstopped kelvin mackenzie) going full beeley with a regime observer two foot away the oxbridge twat. Interviewing people under the same watchful eye and asking them what they thought about the non existent ongoing us/uk/France attacks on assad military positions. This is exactly in line with the pilger and Fisk stuff, the later warning about forms of embedded reporting. Classic example here.
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Could you add the link?

Really appreciate all this, would've missed most otherwise.
 
Old Gergl said:
Could you add the link?

Really appreciate all this, would've missed most otherwise.
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Sure - this piece.

The beeleyites have gone mad over it - declaring final victory is theirs. I wonder if good old posh tomo is going to report on the regime looting taking place right now in Yarmouk. He may have to ask the bloke standing over his shoulder first.
 
butchersapron said:
BTW Alex thomo on c4 (oh he's great, he doorstopped kelvin mackenzie) going full beeley with a regime observer two foot away the oxbridge twat. Interviewing people under the same watchful eye and asking them what they thought about the non existent ongoing us/uk/France attacks on assad military positions. This is exactly in line with the pilger and Fisk stuff, the later warning about forms of embedded reporting. Classic example here.
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Except in the Alex Thompson report you link to Butch, he actually confirms at 1'54'' that "The British, the Americans, the French; they continue to bomb the positions of Bashir Al Assad." Might be worth watching it again and paying attention. Ta.
 
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Except in the Alex Thompson report you link to Butch, he actually confirms at 1'54'' that "The British, the Americans, the French; they continue to bomb the positions of Bashir Al Assad." Might be worth watching it again and paying attention. Ta.
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wtf are you on about? So he confirms his own mental claim? No wonder source checking has never been one of you sell out loons strengths. Pay attention? Jesus.
 
Surprised by the demographic a bit, thought it would be younger anonymous types going for this kind of shit, but quite an old crowd. Nobody I recognise but then many won’t be from Leeds.
 
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Surprised by the demographic a bit, thought it would be younger anonymous types going for this kind of shit, but quite an old crowd. Nobody I recognise but then many won’t be from Leeds.
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Yeah, the demographic was mostly 50+ white men it looked like with the odd random younger person. TBH there isn't much of an Anonymous crowd in Leeds. There is a small tankie scene that might consider going, as well as probably some unaffiliated conspiracy theorists who I imagine are the younger ones (as well as some genuine 'this looks interesting' types).
 
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