US election 2020 thread

[Wilf]

It's when his incitements turned into something that couldn't be ignored that did it, though.

That's why i think what happened with protest/insurrection possibly caught him out. He was likely thinking "I know I'm bullshitting, I know they're bullshitters, and they know they're being bullshitted, let's keep this ball rolling", and then something actually happens, in a manner that fucked up his view of reality as being ultimately negotiable.

Someone like him would never have the balls to try something like that on purpose.

Well, yeah, though there's a sense it was also a continuation of their removal of individual lies he came out with after the election. I don't think they'd have banned him if he'd won in November.

Yes on him getting caught out. My guess is imagined something very loud and intimidating outside congress, something the people inside could hear and would worry about as they scuttled home. Even as it happened, he hadn't really processed the shit he was in, so it took a night's sleep before he shat himself on camera. Careful what you wish for Donnie! The death of the cop will be a real worry for him (though not as much as for the cop's family).

 

[petee]

I wonder whether what will happen with those members of law enforcement who helped facilitate things.

Democrat introduces bill to investigate if Capitol Police have ties to white supremacist groups.

New Rep. Jamaal Bowman calls for a commission to look into Capitol Police.

www.motherjones.com

 

[mx wcfc]

I wonder whether what will happen with those members of law enforcement who helped facilitate things.

That is the biggie. Biden has highlighted the difference in the cops approach between BLM and Trumpists.

Our cops are racists, US cops are racists, fuck it, all cops are bastards, how the fuck Biden deals with that, after this week, fuck knows. Our coppers wouldn't have folded like that though - look back to the cuntryside alliance demo.

 

[8ball]

The death of the cop will be a real worry for him (though not as much as for the cop's family).

Now that a big portion of his fanbase considers him to have betrayed them, he has a few more worries than that. Even as some of them carry on down the rabbit hole, he'll have plenty of reasons to look over his shoulder.

 

[fishfinger]

The President is missing



Seems that Twitter has removed POTUS too!

 

[8ball]

That is the biggie. Biden has highlighted the difference in the cops approach between BLM and Trumpists.

Yeah, there is the 'kid gloves' approach, as has been pointed out, but I was thinking of the reported cases of them posing for photos with rioters, opening doors for them etc. Things that look much more like active collusion.

 

[Humberto]

Rabbits do

 

[spring-peeper]

 

[Humberto]

They've just done America for $3trillion under trump, Obama did very similar. It's a war, surely?

Ps. Britain is the same.

 

[Humberto]

you get austerity for that.

 

[Humberto]

I get it the so called middle class don't want to know.

Dig your own grave.

 

[spring-peeper]

 

[Jay Park]

I get it the so called middle class don't want to know.

Dig your own grave.

huh?

 

[JimW]

Thought talk of impeachment was mainly theatre but apparently if impeached he would lose the pension and a generous annual travel allowance and other perks and be barred from seeking federal office again, so would be worth seeing it happen.

 

[gosub]

Thought talk of impeachment was mainly theatre but apparently if impeached he would lose the pension and a generous annual travel allowance and other perks and be barred from seeking federal office again, so would be worth seeing it happen.

other 'perks' including secret service protection.....so he's either bankrupt or dead so it won't happen.

Seriously they are going to have to start ringing round for somewhere for him to live (that he's prepared to go to) Berrmuda?

 

[Flavour]

This is all so damn entertaining it is distracting me from real life

 

[bimble]

More and more of this sort of thing being published.

Feds say police found a pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol insurrection as wide-ranging investigation unfurls

An Alabama man allegedly parked a pickup truck packed with 11 homemade bombs, an assault rifle and a handgun two blocks from the US Capitol building on Wednesday for hours before authorities ever noticed, according to federal prosecutors.

edition.cnn.com

Basically in amongst the selfie takers who just milled about aimlessly in silly outfits there were people who had a plan, mad as it might have been. If Pelosi and probably Pence (and no doubt AOC and co) had been sat there when these men got in things would have gone differently for sure.

 

[bimble]

This is quite fascinating. A long thread from twitter which identifies one of the serious people who entered the building with heavy duty zip ties etc.

There were selfie takers with no plan and then another smaller group with a plan that failed.

This man was ex military, an officer.

More on this man here. Radicalised online shocker. Says he found the massive zip ties on the floor and was going to hand them to a police officer but forgot.

An Air Force Combat Veteran Breached the Senate

The Texas-based pilot was with a group that descended on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office suite.

www.newyorker.com

 

[bimble]

The 'i approve of what happened on wednesday' numbers have gone down a lot, according to this. Smashing a policemans head in with a fire extinguisher only approved of by 1 in 5 Republicans .

 

[mauvais]

The 'i approve of what happened on wednesday' numbers have gone down a lot, according to this. Smashing a policemans head in with a fire extinguisher only approved of by 1 in 5 Republicans . View attachment 247860

Again I think this is the need to be on the winning side. I doubt this is massively moved by a logical reevaluation, including 'well I don't support killing cops', and much more that the rioters have been publicly abandoned, so what seemed like a good bandwagon to get on a few days ago now seems like a toxic outlier and something to distance from. Good and bad - the views are not strongly held but they'll absolutely still support this stuff again under the right conditions.

 

[bimble]

It's a tricky balance isnt it, you need to be the winning side, and have 'the silent majority' with you, but at the same time nurture massive grievances about being downtrodden silenced and wronged by your enemies.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'm using the app which doesn't seem to have a refresh option (that i can see anyway). If it try to go to the website my phone "helpfully" redirects to the app.

Most annoying as i want to see trumps loser banned message

Swipe down to refresh.

 

[mauvais]

It's a close run thing, but I think I've got marginally more contempt for twitter in booting him off than I would have done if they'd kept him. They didn't give a flying fuck about the threat he caused till after the election and till they discovered he might be a commercial liability.

There is truth in this but the explanation, justified to some extent, is that in office he was basically exempt from the normal rules because of the massive public/civic interest in what the President is up to. That's not something that continues when out of power or about to be, so compromising their own standards isn't worth it any more.

 

[Lord Camomile]

There is truth in this but the explanation, justified to some extent, is that in office he was basically exempt from the normal rules because of the massive public/civic interest in what the President is up to.

While I have some time for that argument, I feel like it doesn't stretch very far. The public did fine when their leader didn't have a Twitter account, it's not like the US has a dearth of other methods that the President can use to communicate with the public.

Think it's pretty telling that the bot account that literally just mirrored Trump's account, tweeting exactly the same tweets he did, got banned multiple times.

Yes, there is a different standard because it's the President, but that works both ways.

 

[bimble]

Worth a read this, on the significant increase in recent years of political violence in rich countries and tentative suggestions as to why this might be happening. Also points out that the temptation to see stuff like wednesday as a freak outlier event is based on ideas that don't hold water anymore and should be ditched.

Political violence is not just for poor countries anymore | Aeon Essays

Rich nations with strong governments can no longer assume that political violence is a problem for other, poorer countries

aeon.co

 

[Dogsauce]

Yeah, same here. A close friend of many years, someone I love and know to be a kind, thoughtful and intelligent person. It feels like she's been taken hostage.

If only the real world were like those sci-fi movies where someone smashes the transmitter and in an instant the zombies turn back into normal people again. I suspect in the real world it’s a long journey back, a good chunk of life taken.

 

[brogdale]

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Now look what you've gone and done Danny!

 

[bimble]

Michael Flynn & Sidney Powell permabanned from tweeter as well. I have mixed feelings about this just on a personal level, watching them spiral further and further out, together, like some mad Qanon waltz was sort of fun.

 

[bimble]

This is brilliant. What if .. Q itself was a false flag operation by, idk Soros.
He’s getting massive blowback for this, maybe the fragile coalition will fall quite fast.

 

[ska invita]

Our coppers wouldn't have folded like that though - look back to the cuntryside alliance demo.

No cops fold if told to get stuck in - the difference here was the serious units werent sent in until after the fact