Urban v's the Commentariat

[articul8]

Has anyone monetised checking your privilege yet? I'm thinking about a buying indulges type set up.

say three "Hail Laurie's" and you get remission

 

[DaveCinzano]

what are jocs and oocs? do i need to check my privilege again?

If my memory does not fail me, JoCs are “journalists of color”, and I believe OoCs stands for “organizers of color”.

 

[frogwoman]

If my memory does not fail me, JoCs are “journalists of color”, and I believe OoCs stands for “organizers of color”.

organisers of what?

Im an admin assistant. Does that mean I'm an organiser?

 

[DaveCinzano]

I may have made the second one up and also yes.

 

[treelover]

No, they're emotionally-disturbed people who have the delusion that they're dragons, elves, werewolves, vampires etc.
Notice how none of them claim to be a gnome or a goblin or an orc, though? I've never seen an otherkin who reckons they're one of Saruman's fighting Uruk-Hai.

It's like reincarnation and its adherents:, people always declare they were an Egyptian Princess or a medieval knight in a past life, never a slave or a serf, which if such a process existed would be more likely.

 

[DaveCinzano]

organisers of what?

As in, ‘labor organizers’, etc.

 

[frogwoman]

As in, ‘labor organizers’, etc.

the workers will move when given a lead that sort of thing?

 

[treelover]

It's borderline victim blaming. Want less street harassment? Cut your hair short, men will not approach! Again, all she has done is made broad assumptions based on her own limited (white and middle class) experience without understanding that for some women harassment increases with short hair. Women will most likely face harassment for whatever they decide to wear or do with their hair.

An incredible lack of self-awareness. Had it been a personal piece I could have maybe let it go, but her assumptions are deeply problematic.

The only time I spent some time in a room with LP along with many others, I saw nothing at all like the behaviour mentioned above, in fact she just hovered about, ignored, taking notes.

 

[treelover]

"If I were really to stoop to the level of the original piece, I’d have to reassure readers that from personal experience, this sort of warning is there to be ignored. My own “game” hasn’t suffered at all from having short hair, and it’s a really good way of filtering out the douchecanoes. Neo-misogynists tend not to want to sleep with me, date me or wife me up however I wear my hair, because after five minutes of conversation it tends to transpire that I’m precisely the sort of mouthy, ambitious, slutty feminist banshee who haunts their nightmares, but if I keep my hair short we tend to waste less of each other’s time. If you've a ladyboner for sexist schmuckweasels, short hair isn't going to help, although they might let you administer a disappointing hand-job."

Douchecanoes?

Neo-misogynists?

Schmuckweasels?

...time to get out of Brooklyn.

She definitely has aspirations to work over the water, sounding more like Elaine Showwalter or Camille Paglia, maybe she thinks its time they moved on for her...

 

[rekil]

"allowed" by who?
and who says they are privileged

All white straight men irl ever.

organisers of what?

Im an admin assistant. Does that mean I'm an organiser?

I was in a meeting this morning with local councillors, engineers and the like about some area development. Is that #activism? The only time intersectionality came up was about the possibility of linking two streets by using carparks owned by Tescos and the bank. (It was a no)

 

[Frances Lengel]

there's never been a better time to check your privilege

It's the duty of all men to check their privilege every morning. There are few things more terrifying than finding a lump.

 

[J Ed]

All white straight men irl ever.

A forced agricultural labourer in Belarus guiltily ponders his white, straight, cis male privilege.

 

[Frances Lengel]

A forced agricultural labourer in Belarus guiltily ponders his white, straight, cis male privilege.

And is that a straight cig he's smoking? Heteronormative twat.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Im an admin assistant. Does that mean I'm an organiser?

Do you have your own bullhorn?

 

[DaveCinzano]

All white straight men irl ever.

Pretty sure he's pulling her hair in order to make her smile.

 

[rekil]

Tats on fingers are a little bit patriarchal aggression signifier.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Tats on fingers are a little bit patriarchical aggression signifier.

 

[rekil]

Pretty sure he's pulling her hair in order to make her smile.

"The implication."

 

[DaveCinzano]

"The implication."

You're misunderstanding me, brocialist

 

[treelover]

The Mail followed up that feature with one headlined "From cricket to the catwalk to Westminster, public school accents are back: We reveal Britain's 50 most powerful posh people under 30." They included: actors Ben Barnes (educated at King's College School), Robert Pattinson (Harrodian School in west London) and Emma Watson (Oxford's Dragon School and Headington School); comedian Jack Whitehall (Marlborough College), model Poppy Delevingne ("Bedales-educated with royal connections"), playwright Polly Stenham (attended Wycombe Abbey and Rugby) and pop stars, Florence Welch (Alleyn's School in south-east London) and Marcus Mumford and Ben Lovett from Mumford & Sons (both educated at King's College School, Wimbledon).
To that privileged list you can now add successful young British actors including Harrow-schooled Benedict Cumberbatch and old Etonians Damian Lewis and Tom Hiddleston, pop singer Laura Marling and the newest supermodel, Cara Delevingne (Poppy's sister), all products of expensive public schools. Likewise, more established stars such as Chris Martin of Coldplay (Sherborne School, Dorset) and James Blunt – real name James Hillier Blount – Old Harrovian and former member of the Life Guards.

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/jan/26/working-class-hero-posh-britain-public-school

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...-posh-people-30-From-catwalk-Westminster.html

I really didn't know it had got that bad, 'James Hillier Blount' for Gods Sake!

goes off to see if Laura is on the list.

 

[frogwoman]

these acronyms - brocialism, mansplaining etc, are so cringeworthy.

 

[DotCommunist]

quite like fauxcialist though

 

[belboid]

these acronyms - brocialism, mansplaining etc, are so cringeworthy.

they're not acronyms, they're neologisms [/pedant]

 

[DotCommunist]

portmanteau words actually

 

[butchersapron]

I was reading something about the global 68 this morning (whilst england were being thrashed around the ground by aus) and this jumped out at me:

In the US, despite police and FBI terror against the BPP, thousands of people converged on Philadelphia for the RPCC. In the midst of the global uprising of 1968, the Panthers were best positioned (as the most oppressed in what Che Guevara called “the belly of the beast”) to articulate universal aspirations to transform the entire world system. Delegates from local black groups and from an array of organizations — the American Indian Movement, the Brown Berets, the Young Lords, I Wor Keun (an Asian-American group), Students for a Democratic Society (the national student organization with a membership of at least 30,000), the newly formed Gay Liberation Front and many feminist groups — all regarded the BPP as their inspiration and vanguard. This extraordinary alliance constituted the RPCC, and they were able to unify and develop their future direction.

(emphasis mine).

Think abut how that way of dealing with difference (of experience, of background, of culture and so on) was dealt with here. They weren't seen as directly competitive, as one blocking out another - they were seen as leading to a situation where the lessons could be universalised (leaving aside the idea of a single organisation being the embodiment of this). Compare to today, where the actually privileged dole out the oppression franchise like 4th international trots and saying here fight and squabble, fight and squabble, compete, don't recognise each other or your conditions, fight and squabble. Can you imagine their response to something like this (in fact i think they would shit it and they know they would which is why they have partly adopted all this crap):



Some info on the above.

In Chicago, you formed the first Rainbow Coalition with the Young Lords and the Young Patriots Organization. Was this controversial in the Black Panther Party? I don’t think it could have been easy for Black Radicals to accept working with whites who wore the Confederate Flag on their uniforms.


First of all, the Patriots’ leader William “Preacherman” Fesperman was one of the best human beings I have ever met. He was originally from North Carolina before he moved to Chicago. However, many of the Panthers left the group when we built alliances. Some didn’t like the Patriots, some just didn’t like white people in general. They were heavy into nationalism. To tell the truth, it was a necessary purging, except for these niggers took themselves out of the organization. The Rainbow Coalition was just a code word for class struggle.

Preacherman would have stopped a bullet for me, and nearly tried. Once, I was in a meeting up in Uptown, and I decided to leave by myself. I immediately determined that the police were following me. I made the mistake of leaving alone. The cop called out “You know what to do,” and I put my hands up against the wall. Preacherman came outside and saw what was going on, and in the cold of winter brought the men, women and the children outside. The cops put me in the car and they totally surrounded it, demanding my release. The cop called someone and they must have told him to let me go. I’ll never forget looking at all those brave motherfuckers standing in the light of the police car, but staring in the face of death.

Looking back, was there enough basis for unity?

Hell, yeah! When I went to Uptown Chicago, I saw some of the worst slums imaginable. Horrible slums, and poor white people lived there. However, two organizations prepared the way for the Rainbow Coalition, without them there wouldn’t have been a chance of forming one. Rising Up Angry (rua) and join Community Union. The uptown neighborhood was prime recruiting zone for white supremacists. Most of the cats who were in the Patriots also had at least one family member in the Klan. Cats like Mike James and Jewnbug, and Tappis worked hard to fight that mentality. Mike James and rua drove a wedge in that bullshit, that white supremacist bullshit, their groundwork was just amazing, out of this world.

When did you first meet the Young Patriots?

It was at the Church of the Three Crosses. There was a meeting, and it was the one recorded in the movie American Revolution II. After the crowd left, the Patriots were still there. We asked the Minister if he could let us have his office. We asked the Patriots if they could work with the Panthers and they said yes. I didn’t even tell Fred for the first three weeks of meeting with these cats. It wasn’t easy to build an alliance. I advised them on how to set up “serve the people” programs—free breakfasts, people’s health clinics, all that. I had to run with those cats, break bread with them, hang out at the pool hall. I had to lay down on their couch, in their neighborhood. Then I had to invite them into mine. That was how the Rainbow Coalition was built, real slow. Then I contacted Cha Cha Jimenez from the Young Lords.

 

[DaveCinzano]

these acronyms - brocialism, mansplaining etc, are so cringeworthy.

they're not acronyms, they're neologisms [/pedant]

portmanteau words actually

The words given in example are both a neologism and a portmanteau, but not an acronym. A word such as ‘yuppie’, for instance, could be considered both a neologism and an acronym.

 

[andysays]

Is this the right time to say "Check your privilege"? Anyone?

there's never been a better time to check your privilege

That suggests there may occasionally be a time when it's not the right time, but in fact, it's always the right time to say "check your privilege"

If in doubt, shout it out!

 

[belboid]

The words given in example are both a neologism and a portmanteau, but not an acronym. A word such as ‘yuppie’, for instance, could be considered both a neologism and an acronym.

indeed, all portmanteaus are, pretty much by definition, also neologisms

 

[DaveCinzano]

indeed, all portmanteaus are, pretty much by definition, also neologisms

...Until they're a bit old. All words are essentially born neologisms, much as all frogs once were tadpoles!

 

[el-ahrairah]

i'll just least this here.

http://www.newstatesman.com/voices/2014/01/dangers-public-shaming-mob-justice-and-scolding-internet