Urban v's the Commentariat

[butchersapron]

Of what? NYC? Have you read any of the article?

 

[phildwyer]

Not quite sure if this the right thread, but this is an example of the shit this thread is about on the cultural level. Read this and hate. Hate hard. Then hate harder.

Falling Down the Rabbit Hole of NYC’s Lena Dunham Obsession

Why?

I've never heard of any of these people, and I don't want to. Why are you bringing them to my attention?

 

[TruXta]

Of what? NYC? Have you read any of the article?

No, the show Girls.

 

[phildwyer]

No, the show Girls.

I bet you've seen it.

 

[butchersapron]

No, the show Girls.

Ok, I didn't mention the show. No, never even heard of it. Heard of her. Sort of the point of the article.

 

[TruXta]

I bet you've seen it.

My wife watches it, I saw one episode out of curiousity. Once was enough.

 

[TruXta]

Ok, I didn't mention the show. No, never even heard of it. Heard of her. Sort of the point of the article.

Sure, just curious. I'd never heard of her before I saw the show, didn't even recognize the name. And yes, I did read the article.

 

[phildwyer]

My wife watches it, I saw one episode out of curiousity. Once was enough.

Well I haven't even got a TV. Beat that.

 

[TruXta]

Well I haven't even got a TV. Beat that.

I find a TV handy for watching films and shows and sport streamed to my laptop. Don't really watch telly as such.

 

[Idris2002]

I bet you've seen it.

I've seen it. It is horrible.

It's very well done, high production values, the script can be quite clever - but the people it depicts are all utterly horrible people.

 

[TruXta]

I've seen it. It is horrible.

It's very well done, high production values, the script can be quite clever - but the people it depicts are all utterly horrible people.

That's what I said to my OH as well - why are you watching this when every character is a horrible upper class shit?

 

[phildwyer]

I've seen it. It is horrible.

It's very well done, high production values, the script can be quite clever - but the people it depicts are all utterly horrible people.

... who we are supposed to aspire to imitate? Because they have nice clothes and sexual intercourse with a variety of attractive partners?

See, I don't need to watch it now.

 

[el-ahrairah]

Well I haven't even got a TV. Beat that.

are you LLETSA in disguise?

 

[TruXta]

... who we are supposed to aspire to imitate? Because they have nice clothes and sexual intercourse with a variety of attractive partners?

See, I don't need to watch it now.

Well, one "selling point" of the show is that Ms. Dunham, who's not really particularly in line with prevailing body beautiful discourses, flaunts her flesh. A lot.

 

[butchersapron]

That's what I said to my OH as well - why are you watching this when every character is a horrible upper class shit?

But, what's his name - the bloke who did Rushmore - showed that it can be done.

 

[revol68]

I thought it mildly amusing for a bit but there is fuck all of substance to it. Things go really bad when she tries to write non white middle class characters, see the black and latino co workers straight from racist central castings.

 

[TruXta]

But, what's his name - the bloke who did Rushmore - showed that it can be done.

Fair point. At least he's funny. Wes Anderson?

I thought it mildly amusing for a bit but there is fuck all of substance to it. Things go really bad when she tries to write non white middle class characters, see the black and latino co workers straight from racist central castings.

Are there non-white characters? Honestly hadn't noticed.

 

[revol68]

But, what's his name - the bloke who did Rushmore - showed that it can be done.

Does he, his films are twee shite.

 

[TruXta]

Does he, his films are twee shite.

Rushmore was pretty good. The Royal Tenenbaum's was OK. Fantastic Mr Fox - mostly because I do love some stop motion animation. Oh, just remembered I've seen that Moonrise Kingdom too. Wasn't too shabby either.

I don't get the cult around him, but there's lots worse out there.

 

[butchersapron]

Does he, his films are twee shite.

The third film, good lord my memory today, (google break) The Royal Tenenbaums wasn't really twee - the later stuff, that i can totally see as twee shit. I think it sort of ended between us there though.

 

[phildwyer]

I thought it mildly amusing for a bit but there is fuck all of substance to it. Things go really bad when she tries to write non white middle class characters, see the black and latino co workers straight from racist central castings.

Why do you waste your time with this nonsense? Isn't life too short?

 

[phildwyer]

Damn, I actually Googled this Lena thing now:

"Dunham was born in New York City.[4] Her father, Carroll Dunham, is a painter of "overtly sexualized pop art", and her mother, Laurie Simmons, is a photographer and designer, who creates artistic domestic scenes with dolls.[5][6]"

What do these people do for money?

 

[revol68]

The third film, good lord my memory today, (google break) The Royal Tenenbaums wasn't really twee - the later stuff, that i can totally see as twee shit. I think it sort of ended between us there though.

Actually not just twee, it's the affected quirkiness of his characters, the weird timelessness and the not as funny or clever as it thinks it is humour.

Surprised you have any time for it Butchers, convinced you'd have filed it under middle brow indie dross.

 

[TruXta]

Damn, I actually Googled this Lena thing now:

"Dunham was born in New York City.[4] Her father, Carroll Dunham, is a painter of "overtly sexualized pop art", and her mother, Laurie Simmons, is a photographer and designer, who creates artistic domestic scenes with dolls.[5][6]"

What do these people do for money?

I think you just answered your own question there phil.

 

[Idris2002]

I thought it mildly amusing for a bit but there is fuck all of substance to it. Things go really bad when she tries to write non white middle class characters, see the black and latino co workers straight from racist central castings.

Well, that's it, she thinks she's writing something of substance. And that's key to these people: they all think they're Holden Caulfield (or Che Guevara in Laurie's case) when in fact they're like the more odious characters in the Great Gatsby.

 

[butchersapron]

Actually not just twee, it's the affected quirkiness of his films, the weird timelessness and the not as funny or clever as it thinks it is humour.

Surprised you have any time for it Butchers, convinced you'd have filed it under middle brow indie dross.

I think he invented half of that stuff. Rushmore/tennabauams = great. Not bothered after that.

 

[TruXta]

Well, that's it, she thinks she's writing something of substance. And that's key to these people: they all think they're Holden Caulfield (or Che Guevara in Laurie's case) when in fact they're like the more odious characters in the Great Gatsby.

I can't for the life of me see where the resonance is for young women (or men, for that matter). Am I that out of touch?

 

[butchersapron]

All thing that people like that write are of substance because they are the people writing them.

 

[TruXta]

All thing that people like that write are of substance because they are the people writing them.

In which case I can almost pity them. ALMOST.

 

[butchersapron]

In which case I can almost pity them. ALMOST.

I don't mean to themselves though - i mean to the extrnmal world, the people who make shows and pull strings. (See the article for how and why those who didn't read it)