Urban v's the Commentariat

[J Ed]

Mark Fisher talks about his vampire's castle, Russel Brand and identity politics on the Left Business Observer podcast http://shout.lbo-talk.org/lbo/RadioArchive/2013/13_12_05.mp3

 

[kavenism]

The photographer is one "Morgan Mayhem". Look how edgy he is, but not in a "manarchist" way.

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He looks like he might take his politics from The Matrix. Red pill politics. Two of them in fact.

 

[frogwoman]

Wow:

http://www.drb.ie/essays/noises-from-beneath

Penny doesn't get off lightly here.

Fantastic article.

 

[Idris2002]

Laurie Penny, etc, etc, etc...
And why is she hiding behind a tea cup? Is it symbolic of the obscuring of mainstream celebrity identity achieved by being a 'Twitter personality'? And she's got her hood up like Emenim in dat film init. This image has so much edge I could literally cut myself looking at it.

Maybe she just likes tea?

The photographer is one "Morgan Mayhem". Look how edgy he is, but not in a "manarchist" way.

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Anyone else remember that spoof "Pepe Le Punk" thing the Melody Maker used to run back in the 80s?

 

[belboid]

Anyone else remember that spoof "Pepe Le Punk" thing the Melody Maker used to run back in the 80s?

I had forgotten till now

 

[DaveCinzano]

Intersectionalista crisis of confidence:

http://theroguefeminist.tumblr.com/...re-white-dont-call-yourself-an-intersectional

 

[rekil]

Laurie moaning about money and lying to people again apparently.

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/410074002112008192

Dear [redacted startup mag editor]: no, I will not be writing you a 1,400 word article for free. No matter how many times you ask me.

I'm sorry, [redacted startup editor] you don't establish feminist, leftwing credentials by pestering a bunch of women to work for free.

@PennyRed We asked you once and you told us: Later in the year, after September, I'll be able to contribute for free, so
hit me up then.

So we asked you again. Because we love your work. And because we have no money. And because you asked us to.

Particularly galling: male editor, asking all women writers to contribute to a 'feminist issue', for free, because of our principles. NO.

@PennyRed None of us identify as male: 75% of us have vaginas. And we're non-hierarchical and anti-profit - much like @NewStatesman, no?

I wonder if they'd be interested in a piece about PD's forthcoming 'Occupy The New Statesman' campaign.

 

[equationgirl]

So, when is the occupation exactly? I've got some time off work coming up

And LP should really learn not to bitch on twitter, especially when she's in the wrong.

 

[Favelado]

She always ends up with egg on her face. Why doesn't she learn?

 

[rekil]

So, when is the occupation exactly? I've got some time off work coming up

Early 2014! We might at least have a poster done by then.

And LP should really learn not to bitch on twitter, especially when she's in the wrong.

I'm guessing they're young. LP's last NS piece was about how

Young women today are brilliant.

They. Are. Brilliant.

So much for letting down the ladder or whatever it was.

I see Nina Power and Ewa Jasiewicz (up a chimney somewhere according to the guardian) have done stuff for them without any fuss.

 

[J Ed]

Well she worked for Spiked Online for free so maybe they got the idea of her writing articles for free from that

 

[frogwoman]

got an email yesterday from jews for justice for palestinians' newsletter, one of the items in it was wondering what will happen when "disenfranchised israelis' jewish privilege is eroded"

surely if they're disenfranchised then by definition they don't have any privilege.

they sometimes do good work but i cant help feeling annoyed by them at times

 

[DaveCinzano]

New thread favourite Mic Wright has introduced old thread favourite Lisa Ansell to his mentor, Telegraph blogs boss Damian Thompson.

The result?

BOOM

Owen Jones, Ken Loach, Left Unity, The Spirit Of '45, an off-stage Laurie Penny, an unmentioned New Statesman... Both barrels for one and all!

Peddling sexist, racist, labour-movement misery porn is a long-established career path.

(Etc)

 

[J Ed]

Laurie Penny accusing people of sexism (and even being an MRA) because they won't employ her/employ her on conditions slightly less favourable than she would like seems to be becoming a theme. She seriously uses it as leverage to make money.

 

[Bakunin]

Laurie Penny accusing people of sexism (and even being an MRA) because they won't employ her/employ her on conditions slightly less favourable than she would like seems to be becoming a theme. She seriously uses it as leverage to make money.

Funny, I thought she was quite happy to see people on less than minimum wage. When she wanted an intern for a book project, for instance...

 

[DaveCinzano]

Funny, I thought she was quite happy to see people on less than minimum wage. When she wanted an intern for a book project, for instance...

Don't bring facts into this.

 

[frogwoman]

from the jfjfp newsletter

Can posh boy Buji - Labour's new leader Isaac Herzog - rescue his party from decline by creating a new centre-left coalition? He is handsome and articulate, but not popular which may make strategies of finding common ground with smaller parties from left to centre the most important thing he can do

bourgeois "great men" theory, hes a politician in the racist, authoritarian israeli state, a bit like how people thought kim jong un would be all right cos hes educated in the west

Although the small details of different groups may make it a difficult read, those details also show how immensely difficult it is in Israel, with its hugely fragmented body politic, to create a broad leftwing alliance. What will happen when the Jewish privilege of disenfranchised Israeli Jews disappears entirely? Will they turn to the anti-colonial cause, or to fascist reaction?

Reuven Kaminer says the hawks screech to drown out the counsel of security chiefs.

those wise israeli security chiefs spreading words of peace and wisdom

Israel’s UK lobby that media bosses are afraid to challenge

"media bosses" as well and a few lines down it says that more british people disagree with israel because its become the preserve of a "wealthy jewish elite" which are older more right wing and richer

so how can you be afraid to challenge something and see it as irrelevant, older right wing and richer at the same time

does being annoyed by this email make me some sort of zionist? or am i right to just think liberal single issue twats

ViolentPanda what do you think?

 

[Bakunin]

Don't bring facts into this.

'We are the terrible spectres of truth, journalistic integrity and honest reportage...'

'We exist on facts...'

'We know that the use and checking of facts is a problem, that the dreaded 'facts' oppress you, that they are dangerous to your iron-clad, copper-bottomed political and professional principles, and that you fear the repeated appearance (bungling sub-editors notwithstanding) of what you mortals call 'truth'...'

'Woo-ooo-ooo-ooo-ooo...'

 

[ViolentPanda]

Intersectionalista crisis of confidence:

http://theroguefeminist.tumblr.com/...re-white-dont-call-yourself-an-intersectional

What a load of sucky fake-humble bullshit.
Feminism is about equality, not about establishing a fucking hierarchy of oppression by which some people have more validity than others.

The author is a fucking cockwit!

 

[butchersapron]

Intersectionalista crisis of confidence:

http://theroguefeminist.tumblr.com/...re-white-dont-call-yourself-an-intersectional

That was hilarious.

 

[butchersapron]

Laurie moaning about money and lying to people again apparently.

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/410074002112008192






I wonder if they'd be interested in a piece about PD's forthcoming 'Occupy The New Statesman' campaign.

That was appalling.

 

[frogwoman]

Occupying the new statesman would actually be a really good idea.

 

[ViolentPanda]

got an email yesterday from jews for justice for palestinians' newsletter, one of the items in it was wondering what will happen when "disenfranchised israelis' jewish privilege is eroded"

surely if they're disenfranchised then by definition they don't have any privilege.

they sometimes do good work but i cant help feeling annoyed by them at times

TBF, I think that the point they're making is that in a state where you're a second-class citizen unless you're a Jew, that even as a "disenfranchised Jew" you still possess a certain degree of social capital that your Arab Israeli contemporaries don't, and that your Palestinian contemporaries are unlikely ever to have.

 

[frogwoman]

TBF, I think that the point they're making is that in a state where you're a second-class citizen unless you're a Jew, that even as a "disenfranchised Jew" you still possess a certain degree of social capital that your Arab Israeli contemporaries don't, and that your Palestinian contemporaries are unlikely ever to have.

i get that tho, but the rest of the email was such a load of wank

 

[ViolentPanda]

from the jfjfp newsletter



bourgeois "great men" theory, hes a politician in the racist, authoritarian israeli state, a bit like how people thought kim jong un would be all right cos hes educated in the west

Why are you surprised? The history of the political leadership of the state of Israel is one enunciation after another of the "great man" theory (albeit with one "great woman" in the mix).

those wise israeli security chiefs spreading words of peace and wisdom

Although currently, it is those very people who're holding the civvie hawks in check with regard to Iran. Fat Benny has a hard-on for attacking Iran - he knows it'll shore up his political position for a little while - and the military know that an airstrike will bring retaliation to israel down through Lebanon and across Syria.

"media bosses" as well and a few lines down it says that more british people disagree with israel because its become the preserve of a "wealthy jewish elite" which are older more right wing and richer

It'd be more apt to talk about why the OWNERS of the media aren't particularly in favour of the "Israel lobby" in the UK, than to imply that it's editorial policy, because (especially as regards the dailies) for the last 5+ years, it's been all about "seeling" their brand into the US, where articles critical of the state of Israel tend to produce a bombardment of propaganda and hasbara from thousands of mini-rachamims.

so how can you be afraid to challenge something and see it as irrelevant, older right wing and richer at the same time

does being annoyed by this email make me some sort of zionist? or am i right to just think liberal single issue twats

ViolentPanda what do you think?

You're right to think that they're liberal single-issue twats, frankly.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That was hilarious.

You could almost hear the sounds of self-flagellation.

 

[frogwoman]

im not surprised really its liberal commentariat fodder

at this rate im going to get like lletsa by the time im 30

 

[frogwoman]

i can't ever see israel attacking iran

maybe i'm naive but they've been talking about it for decades, i can't see it frankly i think it's something that gets wheeled out to keep the far-right elements of israeli society and ruling class happy. i don't think it'll ever happen.

 

[J Ed]

Occupying the new statesman would actually be a really good idea.

100% agree, forcing the Fabians to recognise the NUJ would be a great demand too. Also, picket Helen Lewis' home since she obviously hates and fears that union tactic.

 

[butchersapron]

Establish PD leverage squads!

Bombard the HL HQ!