This could be worthwhile, it is probably influenced by the book, 'The Hidden Injuries of Class' by Richard Sennett and Jonathan Cobb, (but I think it may go further back.)
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This could be worthwhile, it is probably influenced by the book, 'The Hidden Injuries of Class' by Richard Sennett and Jonathan Cobb, (but I think it may go further back.)
Why did you focus on a tiny bit of what was a sensitive exploration of how class affected his parents and the growing divide as their children went off to university, etc?
kavenism
Progressive misanthrope
Perhaps because of my general hostility to confessional forms of discourse and in particular the rather wallowing tone of much of what I've been reading from Fisher and his correspondents of late. To be honest some of the stuff he’s been writing on the "Vampire’s Castle" could be a Deleuzian variant of things you can pull of Icke’s site any day of the week. I know he’s “on our side” as it were, but that doesn’t make it any less bizarre.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Jesus, that Woundedby Class thing sounds vomit inducing and the confessional style is just ughh too. It's class reduced to classism, to some explicit incidents of class prejudice rather than a structural understanding. I mean class as a leaving a wound, class isn't a fucking wound, it is the whole body.
The Pale King
Well-Known Member
Yeah the wound image doesn't really do it for me - like 'class' is an incidental external imposition on the body rather than an antagonistic state of being that structures the whole social field and every encounter within it. As you say, the hypothetical body here is not 'pre-class' (as the wound metaphor supposes), but rather itself structured and constituted by the class system.
I haven't read enough of this guy's stuff to really comment - that's a first reaction to what struck me.
Nice one
Well-Known Member
the name is pretty dire and there's nothing worse than over-educated arrogant posh boys on the internet telling us what it means to be working class, but the article itself is sweet and charming, the kind of self-reflective confessional that sweeps into indulgent sentimentality at the drop of a phd.
The liberal left destroyed
Every bit of our youth
Left with the barest of bones
Leaving us all with holes
The Pale King
Well-Known Member
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
What kind of person, mere days after complaining that people won't take her seriously because she's too middle class - writes a sentence like that?
https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/398894426094698497
TruXta
tired
Someone with little self-insight. And repeat....
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Where were the police? These decent, coffee-drinking folk deserve protection from the stinking sickoes off the street, no?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
are you sure that isnt a parody account?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
I think that she is trying to highlight the disturbing juxtaposition of extreme wealth and extreme poverty, which is fine although not too much different to London, but because she is who she is it comes across in a really bad way - income inequality should be reduced so that these people don't irritate he while she has her organic soy milk latte or whatever
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
No, that's just bad.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
I noticed that LP retweeted this
Not specifically having a go at LP because she isn't the only one to suggest this sort of thing but I think that this sort of sentiment is actively harmful generally when said by people on the left. It suggests that neoliberal reform is the same thing as economic efficiency for society, which as we know in most cases is the opposite of the truth. I can see how this kind of idea can appeal to the tiny minority of people for whom the abandonment of neoliberalism would not be in their economic interest, but for the rest of us the idea that socialism is less economically efficient even if it is 'morally superior' is a harmful idea imo.
Not specifically having a go at LP because she isn't the only one to suggest this sort of thing but I think that this sort of sentiment is actively harmful generally when said by people on the left. It suggests that neoliberal reform is the same thing as economic efficiency for society, which as we know in most cases is the opposite of the truth. I can see how this kind of idea can appeal to the tiny minority of people for whom the abandonment of neoliberalism would not be in their economic interest, but for the rest of us the idea that socialism is less economically efficient even if it is 'morally superior' is a harmful idea imo.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
John Clapham, Jesus Christ. What next, quoting Lloyd George?
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Didn't see her at Grangemouth, Govan, Scotstoun or Portsmouth recently either.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
Unnecessary, massively cliched highlighting. Who the fuck doesn't know that the US has huge wealth disparity? All it really achieves is to inform us (a) that she's in San Francisco and that's soooo exciting and interesting and (b) exoticise poverty
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Exactly. There's been a lot going on in the UK recently yet I don't recall her highlighting any of those issues. I'd find her more credible if she'd done even token articles on any of those, but sadly lattes in San Fran are more appealing to her.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
But for a self-proclaimed leftie she should be all over what was happening in Grangemouth or Govan, which are not 'deindustrialised shitholes' as you put in. Sure, they're heavy industrial but they're most certainly not the worst places in the UK to go to.
Admittedly neither are as glam as San Fran, which I suspect was the appeal for LP.
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
Note that she is with the rich and successful ( in line for posh coffee) not 'outside'.
People remember this? The logic of the intersectionalistas, etc.:
http://libcom.org/library/smack-white-boy-part-two-crimethinc-eviction-2009
http://libcom.org/library/smack-white-boy-part-two-crimethinc-eviction-2009
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
See also long thread on here.
edit: which i now realise turned into a one of dilute micro's idiot confederate threads so prob not worth the bother
edit: which i now realise turned into a one of dilute micro's idiot confederate threads so prob not worth the bother
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