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He's a shameful excuse for an MP - someone who got elected off the back of his constituency having the demographic it does (part council estate working class, part middle-class liberal), and not for anything he's put into the community.
In fact, like his predeccessor, he's a "taker". he sounds off like he represents us, but he's totally fucking out of touch with us. His "blackness" gives him cred with the liberals, but it's meaningless when he and his party are happy to shit on people based on their position on the social ladder.


its brand building within a safe seat right? So when the time comes in 5-10 years so long as he doesn't do anything to piss off the central machine and plays as close to party line as possible he'll be in with a shot for senior politician roles. The anti-squatter stuff recently should show us all where exactly his bread is buttered. On the side of a labour party that has basically become a 'me too' to every tory policy. Or 'me too, only I'll be even more of a cunt'
 
He's a shameful excuse for an MP - someone who got elected off the back of his constituency having the demographic it does (part council estate working class, part middle-class liberal), and not for anything he's put into the community.

:D

Not forgetting that in his nomination he was up against the uber-slime king himself, Lambeth Labour Party leader Steve Reed who managed to piss off the local Labour Party with his effortless anti-charisma and arrogant assumption that his winning was a done deal. Even Chuku was better than that.

Reeds went on to win in Croydon North now, god knows what kind of wanker he must have been up against there, although there were rumours that he went on a few courses to learn how to appear less slimy. Personally I can't see how it'd work unless he had a total lobotomy.
 
its brand building within a safe seat right? So when the time comes in 5-10 years so long as he doesn't do anything to piss off the central machine and plays as close to party line as possible he'll be in with a shot for senior politician roles.

Yep. I've been saying similar since 2010. He's massively ambitious, effortlessly emolient to the party hierarchy, and does just enough constituency work to not piss off his voters, although that said, his deciding to speak out for his constituents (and those of adjacent MPs with Brixton wards in their constituencies) by decrying the "Thatcher's Dead" party didn't play too well!

The anti-squatter stuff recently should show us all where exactly his bread is buttered. On the side of a labour party that has basically become a 'me too' to every tory policy. Or 'me too, only I'll be even more of a cunt'

Yep. Three mainstream parties, all of which have excised layers of internal democracy, weakening the degree to which the membership can hold the parliamentary parties to account; all of which have made complete and craven accommodations with neoliberalism; all of which claim to support the people, when what they really support is the layer of capitalism that'll give them sinecures in return for greasing the wheels of power.
 
:D

Not forgetting that in his nomination he was up against the uber-slime king himself, Lambeth Labour Party leader Steve Reed who managed to piss off the local Labour Party with his effortless anti-charisma and arrogant assumption that his winning was a done deal. Even Chuku was better than that.

A fair point. Reed, for me, represented everything that was bad about Lambeth Labour in the noughties - the riding roughshod over procedure and process; the obfuscation of such misdeeds; the culture of backroom deals that I'd hoped had mostly died in the '70s; the sheer undemocratic nature of Lambeth Labour on so many local issues.
Even in the worst of the much over-hyped and exaggerated "loony left" days, Lambeth Labour was at least more democratically-accountable in terms of their own internal procedures. Reed ruled over a culture of impunity.

Reeds went on to win in Croydon North now, god knows what kind of wanker he must have been up against there, although there were rumours that he went on a few courses to learn how to appear less slimy. Personally I can't see how it'd work unless he had a total lobotomy.

As I said at the time, poor Croydon North!:(
 
What a load of utter shit. The pair of them are pathetic and can fuck right off. Wish I had a platform in the media so I could construct strawman caricatures of my political opponents. I'd find much better things to call Penny than a brocialist.

The cheek of talking safe spaces and then letting Russell Brand guest edit the magazine you work for. Then complaining he's a sexist after he's done so and once the revenue from having a special celebrity edited edition of the staggers has been banked.

Well why not resign from the Staggers on principle then Laurie, rather than aid a Manarchist in what they're doing? No chance. She didn't resign when they were getting ad money from homophobic christians claiming to be able to cure gay people of their illness, I doubt some minor hypocrisy like this would get in her way. She's more than happy to defend Niall Ferguson (fellow oxbridge twat and celebrity politico) when he's outed himself as a homophobe but if you're not an intersectional liberal with a private school and oxbrdige background you're a bigot.

Then there's this notion of Brand being a leftist. Where's that come from? What kind of "leftist" is he, the borderline anti-semitic David Icke/Infowars kind? I never went to the meeting where Brand was confirmed as an official member of the political left, and he's been pretty vague about it himself. I disown the bastard from day one, they put him in charge of their fucking shit moribund liberal magazine, and I'm the brocialist and they're the glorious intersectional crusaders against oppression.

The bottom line is if you subscribe to any materialist analysis of the world, you are going to spend your political life being accused of sexism and homophobia by Laurie Penny unless you renounce your 20th Century misguided notions of socialism you're the enemy. Anyone too stupid, to uneducated, to technologically illiterate to partake in the narrow and elitist discourse of intersectionalism either at university or on twitter is a rape apologist, misogynist, privilege keeping piece of shit to these people. That this means they can pour scorn and contempt and effectively write off millions of people, for being white, being male, being healthy, being thin, being [insert non-transferable privilege category], it means they can politically rationalise their deep-felt hatred for anything that's not in their tiny fucking bubble. And whilst they do this the left withers and dies, unable to win support from anyone outside this exclusive club, and the far-right wins the support of millions of alienated people all throughout Europe. They'll hang the fucking lot of 'em, and they've got nothing whatsoever to counter it with.

And this one made me laugh.



Probably? Closet? Let me be absolutely definite. Laurie Penny is a liberal. Laurie Penny is more liberal than Edmund Burke. LIBERAL. That's why she was encouraging people to vote Lib Dem at the last general election. And why she works for the New Statesman. Let's get that quote up again shall we:



Only participation within the confines of liberal democracy makes you a relevant civic entity according to Penny. It's not just a tool from which more radical demands can be made, but the end in itself. Note the exact wording, the use of the word civic as in civil society. Only those fully invested in liberal democracy have any "relevance" the rest are untermensch. This is Liberalism 101. This is statement John Locke would've been more than happy with. Yes Laurie you're a liberal and I'm going to call you a liberal, coz it's a damn sight more accurate than you dismissing anyone who objects to your deeply flawed and narcissitic political theory manarchist. Tough shit.

And this passive aggressive bit of bullshit at the end:



The reason you get such a hard time in the comments Laurie is because you're an idiot, a shit writer, and the only reason you even have the job is because the British media is notoriously narrow and drawn from a tiny group of well-educated middle class careerists such as yourself. Had you been born poor you wouldn't be doing this job. You're a living breathing testament to how far someone with fuck all merit but the right sort of background can go in Britain, not the first and not the last.

And fuck Richard Seymour too. Barely out of his own Trotskyite rape-cult he's now talking as if he's some sort of authority on dealing with sexism within the left. It's like listening to Jimmy Savile's chauffeur opine about how to spot a peadophile. How did the years he spent defending the SWP and Respect from accusations of engrained sexism and a dysfunctional and poisonous party culture get forgotten so quickly? I don't wanna here this "I knew nothing, I'd heard the rumours but it was all just hearsay" bullshit coz if I, as a teenage idiot who doesn't even live in London, could work out the SWP was a disgusting cult within my first few interactions with them then this big brain heavyweight's got no excuse for going along with it. I reckon the dirty fucker only left the SWP once he realised his career as a verbose bullshit artist within the liberal media would be in jeopardy if he stuck around, it's not like was anything but a stupid swappie loyalist practically his whole political life.

I disagree, tbh.
 
Apoptosis' arrival above reminds me that Delroy's rant on this thread is doing the rounds on twitter, and has been the trigger for some rowing at the intersectionalist / Marxist, erm, intersection.

If I'd have known it would blow up on twitter I'd have gone to more effort and been a bit more thoughtful in what I said.

Believe it or not when I'm not venting about Penny's crypto-liberalism I've got a slightly more nuanced and serious attitude to intersectionalism and so forth. I'd reconsider at least a part of what I wrote with that in mind, but then again there's no point crying over spilt milk.
 
If I'd have known it would blow up on twitter I'd have gone to more effort and been a bit more thoughtful in what I said.

Believe it or not when I'm not venting about Penny's crypto-liberalism I've got a slightly more nuanced and serious attitude to intersectionalism and so forth. I'd reconsider at least a part of what I wrote with that in mind, but then again there's no point crying over spilt milk.

Bloody jude innit *waves at Jude*
 
If I'd have known it would blow up on twitter I'd have gone to more effort and been a bit more thoughtful in what I said.

Believe it or not when I'm not venting about Penny's crypto-liberalism I've got a slightly more nuanced and serious attitude to intersectionalism and so forth. I'd reconsider at least a part of what I wrote with that in mind, but then again there's no point crying over spilt milk.

Yes, to be honest I'm a bit surprised that the response hasn't been to just focus on your crudest, rantiest, formulations and use them to dismiss your views as a whole. I suspect that you hit on a sweet spot of hostility to Penny and Seymour, and also appealed to some twitter Marxist sorts who are slowly getting a bit more skeptical of the politics of many of the more straightforwardly liberal intersectionalists they interact with.

(Also, the back and forth reminds me just how fucking terrible twitter is as a medium for debate).
 
Because Richard Seymour has written some excellent books such as The Meaning of David Cameron that has accelerated class conciousness in this country more than posts on a forum ever will.

Have you read it? It may be revealing of how neoliberalism infiltrates everything, everywhere, but it's hardly "accelerated class consciousness". It'd (and SEYMOUR's other tomes) have to have achieved much greater sales and wider readership to do so.
Perhaps you mean "Richard Seymour has written some books that vanguardists like, and vanguardists feel that if only the proles would read these books, then class consciousness would be accelerated"?
 
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