Urban v's the Commentariat

[Bakunin]

What's the Emmett Till connection then? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick altogether?

Deleting the tweet was the worst thing I would say. If she really wanted to be an ally and fight her own internalised racism she could've left it up as a 'teachable moment' or something. Deleting it sounds like cowardice and even worse, a lack of commitment to intersectionality.

Maybe the original tweet and/or deletion are the fault of an incompetent sub-editor.

 

[The Pale King]

That was blazing saddle allusion - i've got no idea what she posted/deleted nor how it connects up the Emmeett Till case. Was just a little bit of long term jokery. Sorry.

No apology required! I thought you might be joking but I didn't get the Blazing Saddles ref. I might get the next one...

 

[The Pale King]

Maybe the original tweet and/or deletion are the fault of an incompetent sub-editor.

No doubt they are Bakunin, I had forgotten about L.P's rotten luck with subeditors...

 

[Bakunin]

No doubt they are Bakunin, I had forgotten about L.P's rotten luck with subeditors...

Curious, isn't it? A never-ending stream of conveniently anonymous underlings are held responsible every time Penny Dreadful fucks up.

Amazing that there are so many bungling subbies in the business and that they invariably cross paths with her on so regular a basis.

 

[caleb]

Penny described Daisy Coleman, a young woman who was raped in Maryville, as 'feminism's Emmett Till'.

 

[butchersapron]

Penny described Daisy Coleman, a young woman who was raped in Maryville, as 'feminism's Emmett Till'.

Which to me suggests a) she's reading a book and her lack of experience led her to write something so crass and b) wtf is she doing writing at all if all she can she is these ciphers that she fills up with herself.

 

[The Pale King]

Penny described Daisy Coleman, a young woman who was raped in Maryville, as 'feminism's Emmett Till'.

Oh god, that's repulsive. Thanks for letting me know Caleb but I wish I hadn't asked now! That'll teach me to go looking at Laurie Penny's twitter. Never again!

 

[The Pale King]

Curious, isn't it? A never-ending stream of conveniently anonymous underlings are held responsible every time Penny Dreadful fucks up.

Amazing that there are so many bungling subbies in the business and that they invariably cross paths with her on so regular a basis.

It is indeed curious! We can only be thankful that she bears these trials with such grace and humility.

 

[Bakunin]

It is indeed curious! We can only be thankful that she bears these trials with such grace and humility.

Don't forget her diplomatic charm with critics and her comprehensive self-awareness.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Penny described Daisy Coleman, a young woman who was raped in Maryville, as 'feminism's Emmett Till'.

I'm less horrified than simply baffled. What point was she trying to make?

(Also given the old Brownmiller v. Davis dispute, in which his murder featured prominently, wasn't Emmett Till "feminism's Emmett Till"?)

 

[butchersapron]

And why delete it? Why not educate a generation?

 

[The Pale King]

Indeed! If it was really an innocent 'intersectionalism fail' leaving it up to instruct the masses in right and wrong ways of intersectionalising would've been the way to go. Show us our errors before we make them! She says something on twitter about not 'making it all about her' but that's never stopped her before frankly, so it's a mystery to me why she's come over all coy.

Like Nigel, I'm not sure either what point she's trying to make, I think she was just trying out a snappy bit of phrasemaking, not realising that real people are more than just fodder for sloganizing, co-opting to your agenda and self-aggrandizement. But it should be right there in the dictionary as the definition of the word 'crass'. How can you construct a politics based on identity and yet say something so galumphingly stupid?

 

[equationgirl]

Penny described Daisy Coleman, a young woman who was raped in Maryville, as 'feminism's Emmett Till'.

She has no idea what actually happened to either Daisy Coleman or Emmett Till, does she? Utterly crass statement to make.

 

[butchersapron]

Indeed! If it was really an innocent 'intersectionalism fail' leaving it up to instruct the masses in right and wrong ways of intersectionalising would've been the way to go. Show us our errors before we make them! She says something on twitter about not 'making it all about her' but that's never stopped her before frankly, so it's a mystery to me why she's come over all coy.

Like Nigel, I'm not sure either what point she's trying to make, I think she was just trying out a snappy bit of phrasemaking, not realising that real people are more than just fodder for sloganizing, co-opting to your agenda and self-aggrandizement. But it should be right there in the dictionary as the definition of the word 'crass'. How can you construct a politics based on identity and yet say something so galumphingly stupid?

People ain't people, they symbols. Use as you want.

 

[equationgirl]

She does know that Emmett Till was lynched and murdered, right?

Does she want the same to happen to Daisy Coleman? Dear god words fail me.

 

[J Ed]

Platitudes not people!

 

[Belushi]

So basically Laurie's lost a round of intersectionalist Top Trumps?

 

[butchersapron]

She does know that Emmett Till was lynched and murdered, right?

Does she want the same to happen to Daisy Coleman? Dear god words fail me.

of course she doesn't - she wants nice easy chronologies connected to oppressions. That's why it as deleted, the trade exposed.

 

[equationgirl]

So basically Laurie's lost a round of intersectionalist Top Trumps?

She always loses.

 

[caleb]

Reading a little more, I was wrong to describe Coleman as a "young woman" she was a girl/teenager of 14 at the time of the attack. And I think Penny's crass comparison is that simplistic: Coleman and Till were the same age.

 

[equationgirl]

Reading a little more, I was wrong to describe Coleman as a "young woman" she was a girl/teenager of 14 at the time of the attack. And I think Penny's crass comparison is that simplistic: Coleman and Till were the same age.

Probably about the only sensible comparison that can be drawn to be honest, that they were the same age.

Certainly nothing I've read about Coleman suggests that she's about to become a martyr on the altar of feminism, she simply wants justice for what happened to her and her friend.

 

[ska invita]

I'm sure he talked in his his "kicking-off" book a lot of nonsense about dubstep being the sound of the youth revolution, or such like.

also the reports about the student riots included at a fair bit about the music (not the best link, but he flagged it up repeatedly) - describing him as a dubstep expert is jokey i think

 

[Bakunin]

She always loses.

She is the political debating equivalent of Plymouth Argyle, yes.

 

[equationgirl]

She is the political debating equivalent of Plymouth Argyle, yes.

Well if she debates in real life like she does on here...

 

[DotCommunist]

So basically Laurie's lost a round of intersectionalist Top Trumps?

crushed beneath the wheel

 

[Theisticle]

She has no idea what actually happened to either Daisy Coleman or Emmett Till, does she? Utterly crass statement to make.

Does it matter to her? She's a brand. The politics of convenience and childish prose. She'll trample over ideas and people in pursuit of the 'right' agenda. She's like Crabapple who brag about grossing six figures out of the Occupy movement. Every tragedy is a career move and article to sell brand Penny. Disingenuous to say the least. It's not even a recent thing. This has been going on for years.

 

[equationgirl]

Does it matter to her? She's a brand. The politics of convenience and childish prose. She'll trample over ideas and people in pursuit of the 'right' agenda. She's like Crabapple who brag about grossing six figures out of the Occupy movement. Every tragedy is a career move and article to sell brand Penny. Disingenuous to say the least. It's not even a recent thing. This has been going on for years.

Firky, how nice of you to drop by.

 

[Frances Lengel]

Firky, how nice of you to drop by.

Why do you think it's Liverworst?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Firky, how nice of you to drop by.

it's not firky

 

[equationgirl]

it's not firky

Are we sure?