Urban v's the Commentariat

[Fozzie Bear]

I think the dubstep comment relates to Mason making a mistake about music being played on the portable soundsystem during the student riots.

I think Dan did a piece for the Guardian about what was actually played. (He also did a great article for my fanzine about the metropolitan police shutting down grime raves).

Mason is more of a northern soul man, it would seem from a recent edition of The Culture Show.

 

[benedict]

I think the dubstep comment relates to Mason making a mistake about music being played on the portable soundsystem during the student riots.

I think Dan did a piece for the Guardian about what was actually played. (He also did a great article for my fanzine about the metropolitan police shutting down grime raves).

Mason is more of a northern soul man, it would seem from a recent edition of The Culture Show.

I'm sure he talked in his his "kicking-off" book a lot of nonsense about dubstep being the sound of the youth revolution, or such like.

 

[DaveCinzano]

(He also did a great article for my fanzine about the metropolitan police shutting down grime raves).

I should say that I don't have any particular axe to grind with DH (I liked his article about fences, for example, as well as his enthusiasm for grime & dubstep), more rolling my eyes at the incredibly limited vistas that are created by such incestuous self-sustaining commentariat circles.

(Sorry Stavvers, I should have TRIGGER WARNINGed that.)

It almost makes me side with O'Neill's catamite.

 

[caleb]

Just seen somebody post something elsewhere about the lack of black academics in the UK. And then say this is proof that intersectionality isn't something that emerged from, is tied to, and has its basis in academia (or rather, universities). I'm scratching my head a little bit.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Just seen somebody post something elsewhere about the lack of black academics in the UK. And then say this is proof that intersectionality isn't something that emerged from, is tied to, and has its basis in academia (or rather, universities). I'm scratching my head a little bit.

Where?

 

[Pickman's model]

Just seen somebody post something elsewhere about the lack of black academics in the UK. And then say this is proof that intersectionality isn't something that emerged from, is tied to, and has its basis in academia (or rather, universities). I'm scratching my head a little bit.

who and where if you don't want your comment to be part of the commentariat

 

[frogwoman]

Eight out of ten people that I came in contact with while wearing a burqa acted as if I didn’t even exist, which actually made me feel worse than the looks I received from busybodies who were offended by my presence. I have a newfound respect for the women who choose to wear these kinds of garments, but I will never do anything like this ever again because it suckkkkked.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/i-walked-around-in-a-burqa-all-day-and-im-not-muslim

 

[DaveCinzano]

Check out the twitter argument between Timothy James Heal ("Left-wing Bristolian scientist. If I say something trans/homo/xeno etc phobic, please call me up on it and I'll try to not say it again") and anti-FGM activist Nimko Ali. It's quite something.

The phrase "check your privilege" is uttered! Right-on white male intersectionalista mansplains racism to a British-Somali woman! There is talk of "othering"!

 

[brogdale]

Check out the twitter argument between Timothy James Heal ("Left-wing Bristolian scientist. If I say something trans/homo/xeno etc phobic, please call me up on it and I'll try to not say it again") and anti-FGM activist Nimko Ali. It's quite something.

The phrase "check your privilege" is uttered! Right-on white male intersectionalista mansplains racism to a British-Somali woman! There is talk of "othering"!

kinnel

 

[weepiper]

Seen on twitter today

#ff someone who makes you feel uncomfortable about your own privilege. preferably many someones.

reply by someone else:

Although! It's also important to remember they are real people and not just tools for you to educate yourself.

 

[love detective]

would make a change from them blocking people who make them feel uncomfortable about their own privilege

 

[love detective]

Almost all my anti-racist education comes from the internet

jesus fuck

the better you are at the internet the less racist you are

 

[love detective]

did anyone see what Laurie Penny's racist tweet that she deleted was?

edit: ah sorry was that the one you posted wee piper?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

kinnel

indeed Catherine McFuckinnel

 

[weepiper]

did anyone see what Laurie Penny's racist tweet that she deleted was?

edit: ah sorry was that the one you posted wee piper?

no, that was someone else

 

[J Ed]

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/i-walked-around-in-a-burqa-all-day-and-im-not-muslim

So everyone ignored her... isn't that what happens to everyone in cities like NY?

 

[DotCommunist]

jesus fuck

the better you are at the internet the less racist you are

also:

Twitter teaches me

lol

 

[butchersapron]

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/i-walked-around-in-a-burqa-all-day-and-im-not-muslim

So everyone ignored her... isn't that what happens to everyone in cities like NY?

Not sure i'd ignore someone doing a modern day version of blacking up.

 

[andysays]

Not sure i'd ignore someone doing a modern day version of blacking up.

Although unless she also carried around a sign saying "look at me, I'm wearing a burqa as an experiment" it would be rather difficult to tell.

I agree with the general point of your comparison though...

 

[redsquirrel]

jesus fuck

the better you are at the internet the less racist you are

What's amazing is that she hasn't got enough self-awareness to realise what an absolute shallow self-absorbed dick this makes her sound.

 

[J Ed]

Check out the twitter argument between Timothy James Heal ("Left-wing Bristolian scientist. If I say something trans/homo/xeno etc phobic, please call me up on it and I'll try to not say it again") and anti-FGM activist Nimko Ali. It's quite something.

The phrase "check your privilege" is uttered! Right-on white male intersectionalista mansplains racism to a British-Somali woman! There is talk of "othering"!

Jesus. He is seriously saying that attacking a man because he is out with a black woman is a reaction to racism and comparable to the ANC. Fucking idiot.

 

[butchersapron]

I shall put his theory to the test next time he turns up at a meeting i'm at.

 

[DaveCinzano]

When I saw a tiny version of this pic pop up on my FB timeline I thought it was Laurie, which in a way might have made more sense (in that it would have made no sense whatever):

http://disinfo.com/2013/10/man-spends-hundred-grand-plastic-surgery-look-like-justin-bieber/

 

[caleb]

Where?

who and where if you don't want your comment to be part of the commentariat

Friend of a friend on facebook, only met them a handful of times and they aren't commentariat (yet!).

Re: the concern for the number of black academics in the UK. It reminds me of the recent 'intersectional'/'privilege' backlash against "white feminism". Basically they say everything we've been saying about bourgeois feminism - it's overly focused on the career goals of a small minority of women, etc (bear in mind making these criticisms has had us accused of ignoring gender because we're class-based dinosaurs*). But instead of taking up a class-based feminism in response, they argue the answer is more black women in these positions, etc. So they'll make valid criticisms of "[middle class] white feminism" whilst taking it's positions.

*Of course, you're only allowed to talk about class when "classism" is concerned. It doesn't exist otherwise.

 

[seventh bullet]

Jesus. He is seriously saying that attacking a man because he is out with a black woman is a reaction to racism and comparable to the ANC. Fucking idiot.

All of this stuff gives me a headache.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Friend of a friend on facebook, only met them a handful of times and they aren't commentariat (yet!).

Re: the concern for the number of black academics in the UK. It reminds me of the recent 'intersectional'/'privilege' backlash against "white feminism". Basically they say everything we've been saying about bourgeois feminism - it's overly focused on the career goals of a small minority of women, etc (bear in mind making these criticisms has had us accused of ignoring gender because we're class-based dinosaurs*). But instead of taking up a class-based feminism in response, they argue the answer is more black women in these positions, etc. So they'll make valid criticisms of "[middle class] white feminism" whilst taking it's positions.

*Of course, you're only allowed to talk about class when "classism" is concerned. It doesn't exist otherwise.

And, of course, when anyone argues that positive discrimination isn't the answer - that it's been proven to merely concretise the power of already-existent minority middle classes at the expense of working class minorities - they get accused of negative discrimination.

As has been said before, you'll find very little class analysis in anything the intersectionalistas have to say. Not because class is an invalid analytic tool, but because it doesn't fit with the simplistic pieties through which they pronounce and denounce what constitutes "privilege".

 

[The Pale King]

did anyone see what Laurie Penny's racist tweet that she deleted was?

edit: ah sorry was that the one you posted wee piper?

Was that it? I had the impression that it was something to do with Emmett Till, but I don't know what it was. It must have been pretty misguided at best as she's getting a lot of grief about it, and now whinging that she's getting grief, and 'trying to be a better ally'. Not an auspicious start to her visit to the States.
Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 18 Oct
Deleted previous tweet because of intersectionality fuckup, and because I don't want to detract from the original story. Twitter teaches me.

"Intersectionality fuckup". Chill out guys, these things can happen when you are intersectionalising, yeah?

 

[butchersapron]

She said where the white women at.

 

[The Pale King]

She said where the white women at.

What's the Emmett Till connection then? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick altogether?

Deleting the tweet was the worst thing I would say. If she really wanted to be an ally and fight her own internalised racism she could've left it up as a 'teachable moment' or something. Deleting it sounds like cowardice and even worse, a lack of commitment to intersectionality.

 

[butchersapron]

That was a blazing saddle allusion - i've got no idea what she posted/deleted nor how it connects up the Emmeett Till case. Was just a little bit of long term jokery. Sorry.