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DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
So you play the "I'm considerably more working class than yow" card....and you can't back it up.
Off you trot.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Full Fathom Five this one eh?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
That's what it used to mean here. But even before the government's slave labour scheme it was expanding into more and more types of work. Most of that expansion was in lines of work that carried some element of desirability, but that's a quickly expanding category in a recession. Jobbridge gave it a huge and sudden push towards universalisation, but there was a trend in that direction anyway. Albeit one that would never have reached window cleaning without the government's helpful intervention.
When you combine it with the gradual move towards third level courses in things that were once learnt as paid on the job training, it really is a great time to be a boss with a young work force over here. You don't have to pay them when they are learning. Then you don't have to pay qualified people while they intern. Then you don't have to give them a job at the end.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
We are still talking about different things, difference experiences and different results. Now we have a generation of posh kids writing articles about the brutality of the intern system whilst having interns in their workplace. Different worlds - don't let the swords cross.
Shit-work via the integration of the benefit system and 'labour market' is on the agenda for the other interns.
Shit-work via the integration of the benefit system and 'labour market' is on the agenda for the other interns.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Everything that is going on in the world, and that is what she fucking writes about!
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Fair point.
I moved out of Rochdale to get rid of that shite.
Rochdale though - Items delivered to the door with an apology "Soz it took twenty minutes rather than the usual five" "It's ramadan & I'm fasting, you belled me at ten bells, I was having sumat to eat"
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Just thinking about this for a second, what jobs (or "careers"!) often involve a period as an intern as a kind of gatekeeper? In the UK, I mean, and over here before jobbridge.
Journalism, TV production, graphic design, anything in an art gallery bar being a porter. But it's not just the cultural stuff, is it? Don't big solicitors firms and investment banks and like also have interns? NGOs? What else?
(Of these by the way, it looks to me like there's a bit of a "one of these things is not like the others" aspect to working in art galleries, which is not generally a path to big money or even decent pay or influence/connections/useful networks).
Journalism, TV production, graphic design, anything in an art gallery bar being a porter. But it's not just the cultural stuff, is it? Don't big solicitors firms and investment banks and like also have interns? NGOs? What else?
(Of these by the way, it looks to me like there's a bit of a "one of these things is not like the others" aspect to working in art galleries, which is not generally a path to big money or even decent pay or influence/connections/useful networks).
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
All the great institution of the state and also of civil society - cultural, political, legal, economic. And the rest.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Yes, they do. And that one strikes me as falling into a similar category as the gallery one. There's neither money to be made nor useful networks to establish involved, at least for the most part, but there is a limitless supply of posh kids willing to work for next to nothing which makes it exceedingly tough for anyone else. They are also female dominated types of work at least at the bottom end, which nearly always results in worse pay and conditions and fewer advancement opportunities.
The easiest route to becoming an actual lead designer isn't through long work acquiring the (highly technical) skills to being, say a pattern cutter, and then working very long hours for not great money. It's being the owner's kid.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
So it's functionally a gatekeeping thing, sifting the kids whose families can support them for years on end from the kinds whose families can't?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Louise Mensch is still fishing for a gig on Fox News, hence the stridency, and the belief that she can chat shit with no come-backs.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes, elite guild organisation simply.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Mostly because they're tool cool and smart to have read "Junky" by William Borroughs, where he makes it clear that it doesn't matter how clever, cool or monied you are, once the smack has locked you in its' embrace you'd still lick a truckstop toilet clean on the promise of a fix.
As I said earlier, apprenticeships for retail (and sure there must be many more) are an example of this. You get paid 'apprentice' wages so well less than the minimum wage and as far as I can work out, the 'training' seems to involve how to use the till, put stock out and other things that you used to learn on the job. Not sure of the full details, but think for my neice it was either do the apprenticeship or not work -- don't think they were prepared to give youngsters an actual job paying a proper wage. And obviously retail is not something where most people are ever going to be high earners.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I don't. I don't know anyone who could afford to work unpaid, even with a promise of a job at the end of it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Ticks a box on the CV.
Then, when any of the cunts achieve their aim to become an MP, first thing they do is join "Labour Friends of Israel", AKA "Hooray for Zionism!".
You wouldn't - Some groovers would, but by no means all. Honest to god, do you reckon you'd sell your dignity out for a taste? Nor would I. It really isn't that addictive.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
He said intern not unpaid.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Think about what anarchism is, and what it stands for and against.
Now, square the philosophy with your posts, and look for the gaps.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
My experience differs. I had one mate who got Hep C because of the "speciality" tricks he turned to earn enough to keep him in smack (we know it wasn't dirty works, because he didn't share them, ever), and another who got into a very nasty S&M scene for the same reason. Both of 'em were perfectly happy to sell their dignity for their next fix, even if it was to stave off feeling sick rather than to get high.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Given that even with various legislative guidelines, around 85% of declared (i.e. positions advertised as such) internships (at least according to the NS last year) are unpaid, then if you say "intern" the likely conclusion to be drawn is that you're referring to the 85% of unpaid internships, not the small minority of paid ones.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Ticks a box on the CV.
Then, when any of the cunts achieve their aim to become an MP, first thing they do is join "Labour Friends of Israel", AKA "Hooray for Zionism!".
who has done this?
not saying it's not happened but i'd have thought they'd go for the galloway/respect trajectory, there's also plenty of money in being some sort of liberal "anti imperialist" apologist for dodgy middle eastern regimes (israel's also one but you know what i mean)
the only famous anti zionist i can think who became a sort of zionist is christopher hitchens
Soz about your mates - No harm meant. I was being a prick there . My best mate's got hep C though.
Maybe it's a Rochdale thing - There's just nothing anyway. Or something.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
We get workfare
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