Urban v's the Commentariat

[butchersapron]

HAHAWETAKESMACK

 

[butchersapron]

Whichtheydon't.

 

[el-ahrairah]

what's china whites?

posh london nightclub. http://www.chinawhite.com/information.php

named after a popular variety of smack. Nu Smack, for cool hip people, not Old Smack for junkies.

never been, so for all i know it's a bastion of solidarity and they only play songs by artists who have also been in the Zapatistas.

 

[el-ahrairah]

fucking hell

"Membership is £650 per annum or £350 per annum if for those under 30. There is a one off joining fee of £100. (All rates include V.A.T. at 20%.) "

"Likewise, the new Chinawhite guest is not defined by wealth but by a desire to exist outside of the ordinary."

Ladies free on Tuesdays?

 

[weepiper]

"the new Chinawhite guest is not defined by wealth but by a desire to exist outside of the ordinary."

Oh fuck off posh boys.

 

[frogwoman]

posh london nightclub. http://www.chinawhite.com/information.php

named after a popular variety of smack. Nu Smack, for cool hip people, not Old Smack for junkies.

that exists?

 

[weepiper]

This tells you a lot too

Membership also entitles the member and accompanying guests to priority entrance, table reservations at the club and membership rates for Chinawhite at The International Polo.

 

[danny la rouge]

that exists?

No. Only in, as the children's comedy has it, your imagina-a-a-ation.

 

[goldenecitrone]

posh london nightclub. http://www.chinawhite.com/information.php

named after a popular variety of smack. Nu Smack, for cool hip people, not Old Smack for junkies.

It's named after a brand of tea from China. Hence the Chinese looking interior.

 

[weepiper]

Pass me a sick bucket

“Our thinking behind this club is, what is relevant now? As
we rise from economic uncertainty, do people really want
to leave their houses at 10pm and go to clubs that are
nothing more than celebrity platforms?” comments Jeremy
Hartley, co-founder and Managing Director. “We believe
that is an out-dated concept. When you walk through our
doors, you are taken care of in a very bespoke and service
led way – a space to eat beautiful food, a space to dance and
most importantly a space to spend time with friends. This,
is relevant now.”

I see that despite their phenomenal membership charge they can't afford a fucking proofreader

The Temple bar with it’s luxurious Missoni cushions

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It's a club for cunts that even cunts recognise as such. Quite dated now as well tbh.

 

[J Ed]

Pass me a sick bucket

I see that despite their phenomenal membership charge they can't afford a fucking proofreader

To be fair I do know exactly what they mean. I just hate when the pub I go to turns into a platform for hotshot celebrities, the other week this dog came in, his owner taught him how to dance. The dog is really full of himself and it's just not on.

 

[frogwoman]

1m Tintin ‏@TintinnyTins
Why fuckcispeople? It's meant to jar. It's meant to grab attention. And it's meant to educate by being blunt. What? Feels are hurt? Grow up

educate? About what?

 

[frogwoman]

Sophia ‏@sophiaphotos 11h
Why it is cis white feminism can be all like" fuck men" but get defensive about #fuckcispeople ?

 

[8ball]

Sophia ‏@sophiaphotos 11h
Why it is cis white feminism can be all like" fuck men" but get defensive about #fuckcispeople ?

Because they only fuck trans men?

 

[frogwoman]

yeah i have no idea what this is about tbh. And i'm sure most of the people tweeting this stuff are cis themselves

 

[frogwoman]

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 5m
Not all men hate women, but all men benefit from sexism. Column asking men to stop moaning and stand up for feminism: http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/08/laurie-penny/men-sexism …

No they don't

 

[Fozzie Bear]

1m Tintin ‏@TintinnyTins
Why fuckcispeople? It's meant to jar. It's meant to grab attention. And it's meant to educate by being blunt. What? Feels are hurt? Grow up

educate? About what?

"fuckcispeople" is more like a collective moan about the prejudice etc that cis people display towards transgendered people. Which clearly happens. I was going to get into it this morning when someone I quite like was posting about it. But I couldn't be arsed with all the "mansplaining" comeback I would probably get.

I would guess that a lot of transgendered/non-cis people have been helped on the way by cis people in the NHS. And by the vast majority of people who don't make a big deal out of gender-reassignment, or those who will stick up for people they see being given a hard time.

 

[Favelado]

If you have your feelings hurt by being told to "get fucked", you are immature and need to grow up.

Doesn't work does it?

 

[Belushi]

This is where you end up if your politics is nothing but identity, the oppression olympics.

 

[butchersapron]

With half the competitors boycotting the games.

 

[agricola]

This is where you end up if your politics is nothing but identity, the oppression olympics.

No doubt having gone to public school will make you more likely to win medals, as well.

 

[frogwoman]

a lot of lgbt politics these days seems to just be nationalism with the sexuality as the "nation" rather than race.

 

[el-ahrairah]

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 5m
Not all men hate women, but all men benefit from sexism. Column asking men to stop moaning and stand up for feminism: http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/08/laurie-penny/men-sexism …

No they don't

i haven't read her article but i suspect that all men do benefit, more or less. individual cases aside, no doubt, but surely men do all benefit even if they don't want to.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I usually end up in knots thinking about this, but here goes.

Isn't it a bit weird that intersectionality on the one hand carves up people into a huge range of specific oppressed identities, but also gives licence to display other groups as being monolithicly and uniformly privileged?

So it's important to consider how a transgendered disabled person is oppressed in a way which is different from other disabled or transgendered people.

But all cis people can fuck off, and "all men" benefit from a sexist culture.

I find this confusing, even on its own terms.

 

[frogwoman]

I usually end up in knots thinking about this, but here goes.

Isn't it a bit weird that intersectionality on the one hand carves up people into a huge range of specific oppressed identities, but also gives licence to display other groups as being monolithicly and uniformly privileged?

So it's important to consider how a transgendered disabled person is oppressed in a way which is different from other disabled or transgendered people.

But all cis people can fuck off, and "all men" benefit from a sexist culture.

I find this confusing, even on its own terms.

yep

 

[Fozzie Bear]

i haven't read her article but i suspect that all men do benefit, more or less. individual cases aside, no doubt, but surely men do all benefit even if they don't want to.

Surely the point is that they don't all benefit to the same degree? Clearly people assume particular things about me that they might not assume about a black woman.

The most objectionable thing I found about the article was the patronising tone - as if I had never considered these issues before and now that LP had laid down a challenge I could suddenly become all enlightened and do something about it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I usually end up in knots thinking about this, but here goes.

Isn't it a bit weird that intersectionality on the one hand carves up people into a huge range of specific oppressed identities, but also gives licence to display other groups as being monolithicly and uniformly privileged?

So it's important to consider how a transgendered disabled person is oppressed in a way which is different from other disabled or transgendered people.

But all cis people can fuck off, and "all men" benefit from a sexist culture.

I find this confusing, even on its own terms.

I think that, as usual, Ms. Penny gives good quote, but adds no meat to the bones of her contention.
IMO we can say "all men are in a position to derive benefit from multiple generations of sexism, both institutional and broadly social", but we can't say "all men benefit from sexism" without elucidating beyond the general statement, because as a general statement it's glib and uninformative, as well as pandering to the very thing it purports to be in conflict with. Ya can't defeat sexism by making sexist assumptions, Laura!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Surely the point is that they don't all benefit to the same degree? Clearly people assume particular things about me that they might not assume about a black woman.

That's one of the contradictions of intersectionality politics, as you've pointed out - everything is viewed monolithically, in "slabs" of "if A, then B", with little consideration for any confounding factors that might exist, such as (most usually), class, but also most of the other cross-cutting "isms".

The most objectionable thing I found about the article was the patronising tone - as if I had never considered these issues before and now that LP had laid down a challenge I could suddenly become all enlightened and do something about it.[/quote]

To be fair, that's one of the audiences she writes for, the other audience being those like herself who can feel smug about having already considered the issue (on their own terms, of course!).

 

[frogwoman]

I think that, as usual, Ms. Penny gives good quote, but adds no meat to the bones of her contention.
IMO we can say "all men are in a position to derive benefit from multiple generations of sexism, both institutional and broadly social", but we can't say "all men benefit from sexism" without elucidating beyond the general statement, because as a general statement it's glib and uninformative, as well as pandering to the very thing it purports to be in conflict with. Ya can't defeat sexism by making sexist assumptions, Laura!

well its like the whole "i've had enough of your shit , tumblr goyim" and saying that by saying stuff like that your striking a blow against oppression whereas you're actually a bigoted twat