Bannerrefuggee
Well-Known Member
Let us see where it stops.
NATO’s European members must ramp up investment in ammunition production and focus military training and force structures against key mission sets to credibly deter Russia from exploiting a clash between the US and China in the late 2020s as an opportunity to break Article 5 in Europe.
Throughout 2023, the UK and most NATO allies have been understandably preoccupied with the need to support Ukraine, tackling a range of economic and social challenges, and most recently the sudden explosion of violence in the Middle East. However, the number of acute short-term challenges has distracted political and public attention away from the rising danger of an even more serious conflict in the coming years.
Put simply, Russia has now transitioned its economy onto a war footing; US production is not sufficient to replenish its own stockpiles and fulfil Ukraine’s needs; and European countries are trying to manage an increasingly dangerous situation from an unsustainable peacetime defence and industrial posture. This would not be such a serious risk were it not for the fact that the US military is increasingly facing a threat that it cannot overmatch from Chinese forces in the Indo-Pacific.
Tbh I think your German article is having a laugh suggesting that the Russian army can be so swiftly reconstituted and trained when we know that many of the people who would do the leading and training of the force have been killed or simply aren't there - see eg NCOs: America Has Them, China Wants Them, Russia is Struggling Without Them. We know the strategic leadership of the present and future Russian army has received disproportionate losses - all those generals and colonels. For me, the greatest threat is rather Chinese ambitions which have the potential to make today's contretemps in the Ukraine look like a sideshow.A report by the German Council on Foreign Relations states similar: Preventing the Next War; Mark Galeotti gives a critique in his podcast In Moscow's Shadows: Putin's Coming Back!
Regardless of the potential for US overstretch, I think a significant question is whether future US governments can be relied upon to honour NATO commitments in Europe.
'the UK and most NATO allies have been understandably preoccupied with the....... the sudden explosion of violence in the Middle East.' ?
For me, the greatest threat is rather Chinese ambitions which have the potential to make today's contretemps in the Ukraine look like a sideshow.
To whom quoth the ProfTo whom do you think China is a threat?
To whom quoth the Prof
Among others -
Taiwan
The Philippines
Vietnam
The United States
Australia
The United Kingdom
Malaysia
So you think China is a threat to Russia?What nonsense you spout! China is a threat to its immediate neighbors and to nobody else.
you forgot China CCP aint doing the Chinese any favoursTo whom quoth the Prof
Among others -
Taiwan
The Philippines
Vietnam
The United States
Australia
The United Kingdom
Malaysia
So you consider them a threat to Russia. Perhaps you might outline your thoughts on the subject, tho I doubt them cogent. Also as you're a keen observer of international relations I thought you would have seen this and similar stories Cyber attacks against key US infrastructure continue, but this time its ChinaWhat nonsense you spout! China is a threat to its immediate neighbors and to nobody else.
No, no i didn't.you forgot China CCP aint doing the Chinese any favours
So you consider them a threat to Russia.
Just a minute ago you said China was a threat to its immediate neighbours. Now you deny it.No I don't. I think China wants to be allowed to grow peacefully, and is willing to share prosperity. The danger I see is that as usual the USA will apply the zero-sum theory of possessive individualism to foreign relations, conclude that there can only be one top dog, and take measures to prevent China's growth by force, thus bringing human history to its conclusion.
By peacefully I presume you mean expanding its territory one piece at a timeNo I don't. I think China wants to be allowed to grow peacefully, and is willing to share prosperity. The danger I see is that as usual the USA will apply the zero-sum theory of possessive individualism to foreign relations, conclude that there can only be one top dog, and take measures to prevent China's growth by force, thus bringing human history to its conclusion.
Just a minute ago you said China was a threat to its immediate neighbours. Now you deny it.
No I don't. I think China wants to be allowed to grow peacefully, and is willing to share prosperity.
Belt and road, it's all about the altruism
Belt and road, it's all about the altruism
no it doesnt Its built bases on the wrong side of the river with India, ignored the UN on the Philippines, gone mental at Hong Kong for holding umbrellas, invaded Vietnam at one point and Tibet and is currently in the process of upgrading its armed services, upgrading using tech ripped off from other countriesEven in cases of border disputes and territorial claims, China always prefers to resolve its disputes peacefully. In marked contrast to the USA, which resorts to military force at the drop of a hat.
It's not about altruism, but war isn't in their interests. It's in the interests of Lockheed-Martin and Blackwater.
no it doesnt Its built bases on the wrong side of the river with India, ignored the UN on the Philippines, gone mental at Hong Kong for holding umbrellas, invaded Vietnam at one point and Tibet and is currently in the process of upgrading its armed services, upgrading using tech ripped off from other countries
In this age of cynicism I find your naivety rather touching.No I don't. I think China wants to be allowed to grow peacefully, and is willing to share prosperity.
fine so don't make one. China, like Russia with its Wagner group has adopted the Blackwater model of new imperialism. Loads of Chinese 'security' in Africa these days that doesn't show up on wikipedia. I blame Col Oli North, at least old school had some transparency and accountabilityChina has 5 military bases in foreign countries. The UK has 32. The USA has 85.
There's no comparison between the old imperialism and the new:
List of countries with overseas military bases - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
No I don't. I think China wants to be allowed to grow peacefully, and is willing to share prosperity. The danger I see is that as usual the USA will apply the zero-sum theory of possessive individualism to foreign relations, conclude that there can only be one top dog, and take measures to prevent China's growth by force, thus bringing human history to its conclusion.
The US has rather more than 85 overseas bases. You just have difficulty understanding the words you look at.China has 5 military bases in foreign countries. The UK has 32. The USA has 85.
There's no comparison between the old imperialism and the new:
List of countries with overseas military bases - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
He's going for all out shitposting before the inevitable banJust a minute ago you said China was a threat to its immediate neighbours. Now you deny it.