Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-25

[TopCat]

well they did at the beginning of WW2. Putin blaming Poland for WW2 was the equivalent of the "she was asking for it" coz she had a short skirt on defence. Sitting there provocatively not being Russia

Oh for fucks sake.

 

[TopCat]

The point was to mobilise more people in order to demobilise people. Not just tell half the army to go home. I don't believe even you could interpret it that way.

So where do the new half million come from? Under the sofa?

 

[gosub]

Oh for fucks sake.

exactly what I thought when I watched that Putin interview. That and I hope nobody in Yongmingcheng is watching this

 

[Sweet FA]

Well that's me conclusively told with a solid argument. Guess I'd better fuck off now with my tail between my legs.

No one ever uses that correctly, either. The magic beans did work and were the greatest thing that ever happened to Jack, leading to him retiring a rich man. Sucked for the giant, of course. That would probably be Russia in this hopelessly twisted metaphor.

ETA, for anyone who's paying attention, Ukraine did clarify that 31k is confirmed dead, identity known, buried in Ukrainian cemetery. If you add in MIA, it's around 70k. But if you're reading the news, you know that. I assume some posters think that's a lie, too.

Watch from 2:56 for a solid Jack & the Beanstalk review.

 

[teqniq]

Zelensky has

Source?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Ukraine’s own figures suggest 2.5:1 so now you're just lying.

TC really doesn't like Zelensky, if Zelensky says the sky is blue it's a reason to do your own independent research into the matter

 

[TopCat]

TC really doesn't like Zelensky, if Zelensky says the sky is blue it's a reason to do your own independent research into the matter

Have you tried one of the other Ukrainian threads? Perhaps one not dedicated to analysis and comment?

 

[Chz]

So where do the new half million come from? Under the sofa?

That would be the conscription that you yourself were talking about a scant few weeks ago, you demented fool.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Have you tried one of the other Ukrainian threads? Perhaps one not dedicated to analysis and comment?

Let me know when we get one dedicated to analysis and comment

 

[TopCat]

Source?

In terms of Russian losses, Mr Zelensky said 180,000 Russian soldiers have been killed and tens of thousands more injured.

Ukraine war: Zelensky says 31,000 troops killed since Russia's full-scale invasion - BBC News

It is rare for officials to say how many Ukrainian soldiers have died since Russia's full-scale invasion.

www.bbc.com

 

[teqniq]

In terms of Russian losses, Mr Zelensky said 180,000 Russian soldiers have been killed and tens of thousands more injured.

Ukraine war: Zelensky says 31,000 troops killed since Russia's full-scale invasion - BBC News

It is rare for officials to say how many Ukrainian soldiers have died since Russia's full-scale invasion.

www.bbc.com

I already saw that on other sites but i can't find anything stating a ration of 5:1.

 

[TopCat]

That would be the conscription that you yourself were talking about a scant few weeks ago, you demented fool.

The conscription efforts that have not been enacted due to their parliament objecting, the corruption, the legions of proud patriots who have legged it elsewhere?

 

[TopCat]

I already saw that on other sites but i can't find anything stating a ration of 5:1.

Do the maths. It’s not a difficult sum. It’s closer to a one to six kill ratio claim.

 

[TopCat]

you demented fool.

Yeah your Mum smells of fish.

 

[TopCat]

Let me know when we get one dedicated to analysis and comment

This one. You don’t add much.

 

[teqniq]

Do the maths. It’s not a difficult sum. It’s closer to a one to six kill ratio.

I am pretty lazy when it comes to maths but nevertheless there is no specific statement from Zelensky stating a 5:1 ratio to be found anywhere..

 

[Artaxerxes]

This one. You don’t add much.

Physician heal thyself

 

[TopCat]

I am pretty lazy when it comes to maths but nevertheless there is no specific statement from Zelensky stating a 5:1 ratio to be found anywhere..

Obtuse or what?

Zelensky claims 31,000 Ukrainian dead armed forces.

Zelensky claims 180,000 Russian dead.

Ratio of claimed Ukrainian to Russian deaths equals 180,000 divided by 31,000. Result is: 5.8

 

[TopCat]

Physician heal thyself

You just post shit. Poor sarcasm. Not much else. Why not go to one of the other threads with your output?

 

[Chz]

Obtuse or what?

Zelensky claims 31,000 Ukrainian dead armed forces.

Zelensky claims 180,000 Russian dead.

Ratio of claimed Ukrainian to Russian deaths equals 180,000 divided by 31,000. Result is: 5.8

Ukraine (not Zelensky) claims 31,000 dead and roughly 40,000 MIA. Most of whom will be dead, but they can't confirm that. That's roughly 2.5:1. Cherry pick your stats much?

 

[TopCat]

Ukraine (not Zelensky) claims 31,000 dead and roughly 40,000 MIA. Most of whom will be dead, but they can't confirm that. That's roughly 2.5:1. Cherry pick your stats much?

Cherry pick my stats? All are quotes (by Zelensky the deluded) this very week?

Zelensky says Ukraine lost 31,000 soldiers and Russia’s losses are six times greater

Russia’s casualties when wounded soldiers are included stretch to some 500,000, Ukrainian president says

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Chz]

Cherry pick my stats? All are quotes (by Zelensky the deluded) this very week?

Zelensky says Ukraine lost 31,000 soldiers and Russia’s losses are six times greater

Russia’s casualties when wounded soldiers are included stretch to some 500,000, Ukrainian president says

www.independent.co.uk

You've chosen to pick the statistics you like, and completely ignore the fact that 31k is the confirmed dead. If that isn't cherry picking stats then what is it? If we stick to confirmed deaths only then the kill ratio is roughly 1.5:1. Again, numbers given by Ukraine if you could be bothered to find them.

There's no sense in comparing confirmed deaths to unconfirmed ones. That's idiocy.

 

[discokermit]

Because the Russian strategy was quite literally to throw the undesirables from Wagner and the occupied terriories in as human bullet shields to arrive at this exact result? It's inhuman, but it's not incompetent. And it's worked.

where is the evidence of this?

 

[Rob Ray]

where is the evidence of this?

Here you go

 

[discokermit]

Putin has reinforced their military with a very unpopular "partial mobilization" and a couple of "conscription cycles" per year. The military are also concentrating their "force generation" efforts onto the migrant population and people of ethnicities other than "Russian", raiding prisons, encouraging the regional administrations to raise "volunteer battalions" and failing to release conscripts / volunteers / contract soldiers who have served the full term of the contract originally signed. Note that the original conscription terms state that the conscript would not serve outside Russia [aka in Ukraine] ... note also that a significant proportion of the crew of the Moskva were - allegedly - conscripts.

the most unpopular conscription im seeing is ukrainians.

 

[TopCat]

You've chosen to pick the statistics you like, and completely ignore the fact that 31k is the confirmed dead. If that isn't cherry picking stats then what is it? If we stick to confirmed deaths only then the kill ratio is roughly 1.5:1. Again, numbers given by Ukraine if you could be bothered to find them.

There's no sense in comparing confirmed deaths to unconfirmed ones. That's idiocy.

I picked the statistics quoted by Zelensky in the article I linked to. He quoted Ukrainian dead vs Russian dead.

 

[teqniq]

Obtuse or what?

Zelensky claims 31,000 Ukrainian dead armed forces.

Zelensky claims 180,000 Russian dead.

Ratio of claimed Ukrainian to Russian deaths equals 180,000 divided by 31,000. Result is: 5.8

Not obtuse merely pointing out the fact that he never stated 5:1 anywhere. I accept that he has been quoted stating the figures you have posted but they do not reduce down to 5:1 not even by your own calculations and he never said that precise ratio in any case.

 

[TopCat]

the most unpopular conscription im seeing is ukrainians.

By far.

 

[Chz]

By far.

It's unpopular doubly. The families with members in service think it's unfair that their loved ones have been stuck in a war for two years straight, and the families that don't think that's totally fair and don't want to send their sons and fathers to die. Russians seem to be more pragmatic about it.

 

[Artaxerxes]

where is the evidence of this?

Have you read any of the reports from the likes of Bakhmut?


If Ukraine stops fighting what exactly do you expect Putin to do? Shake hands and go home call it over? Or is it more likely the deaths continue and the country is looted to the ground by an avenging army?