Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-25

[StoneRoad]

In nit-picking mode :- That release says "stockpile" - to me that means more long-term storage than in a "ready for use magazine" ...
Does that include "incendiaries" like phosphorous ?
Sadly, however, some "chemical" weapons are much easier to manufacture than others ...
[wasn't it saddam's regime that dropped barrels of chemicals on civilians, or was that assad ?]

 

[LDC]

[wasn't it saddam's regime that dropped barrels of chemicals on civilians, or was that assad ?]

Both.

 

[The39thStep]

Statement from somebody who might know what they are talking about

Cambodian PM Hun Sen urges Ukraine not to use US cluster bombs

PHNOM PENH: Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, whose country still grapples with deadly war remnants, on Sunday (Jul 9) urged Ukraine not to use cluster bombs, after Washington announced plans to send the weapons to Kyiv to fight Russian troops.

www.channelnewsasia.com

 

[kebabking]

Statement from somebody who might know what they are talking about

Cambodian PM Hun Sen urges Ukraine not to use US cluster bombs

PHNOM PENH: Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, whose country still grapples with deadly war remnants, on Sunday (Jul 9) urged Ukraine not to use cluster bombs, after Washington announced plans to send the weapons to Kyiv to fight Russian troops.

www.channelnewsasia.com

Is this not akin to telling parents in Africa or India not to give their children contaminated water to drink, and when the genius is asked if they can provide clean water in the next 24 hours - before the child dies of dehydration - are told, 'ah, no, sorry...'?

The parent takes a gamble on the polluted water water because while the child may or may not die from the contamination, they absolutely will die without water.

As ever with crap options, have you got a better option?

 

[Spymaster]

Statement from somebody who might know what they are talking about

Cambodian PM Hun Sen urges Ukraine not to use US cluster bombs

PHNOM PENH: Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, whose country still grapples with deadly war remnants, on Sunday (Jul 9) urged Ukraine not to use cluster bombs, after Washington announced plans to send the weapons to Kyiv to fight Russian troops.

www.channelnewsasia.com

I don't see why Hun Sen's views should be lent any more weight than anyone else's on this thread. He's making the same points and the same counter-arguments apply.

 

[TopCat]

I don't see why Hun Sen's views should be lent any more weight than anyone else's on this thread. He's making the same points and the same counter-arguments apply.

He has a country filled with amputees due to ordinance scattered all over their country. His view has a bit more weight than a north london Tory.

 

[pug]

Statement from somebody who might know what they are talking about

Cambodian PM Hun Sen urges Ukraine not to use US cluster bombs

PHNOM PENH: Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, whose country still grapples with deadly war remnants, on Sunday (Jul 9) urged Ukraine not to use cluster bombs, after Washington announced plans to send the weapons to Kyiv to fight Russian troops.

www.channelnewsasia.com

Always been one to grab an opportunity.

 

[Spymaster]

He has a country filled with amputees due to ordinance scattered all over their country. His view has a bit more weight than a north london Tory.

I would say "don't be silly" but your preposterous witterings on this thread comprehensively preclude the possibility.

 

[TopCat]

I would say "don't be silly" but your preposterous witterings on this thread comprehensively preclude the possibility.

I still think his view has far more weight than yours. You are daft to think otherwise.

 

[TopCat]

In nit-picking mode :- That release says "stockpile" - to me that means more long-term storage than in a "ready for use magazine" ...
Does that include "incendiaries" like phosphorous ?
Sadly, however, some "chemical" weapons are much easier to manufacture than others ...
[wasn't it saddam's regime that dropped barrels of chemicals on civilians, or was that assad ?]

I don’t think anyone serious actually believes the US have destroyed their chemical weapons.

 

[Spymaster]

I still think his view has far more weight than yours.

Of course. Doing so is completely in line with the critical faculties you've consistently displayed here.

 

[TopCat]

Of course. Doing so is completely in line with the critical faculties you've consistently displayed here.

Your arrogance has been a theme throughout the thread.

 

[TopCat]

The commander of the Freedom of Russia Legion says his fighters are planning another cross-border raid into Russia and are seeking to capitalise on disarray inside the Kremlin following the mutiny by Yevgeny Prigozhin.

“There will be a further surprise in the next month or so,” Caesar, a spokesperson for the anti-Putin paramilitary group, said in an interview with the Observer in Kyiv. “It will be our third operation. After that there will be a fourth, and fifth. We have ambitious plans. We want to free all our territory.”

The legion, consisting of around 200 Russian military volunteers, carried out attacks in May and early June. It occupied border villages near the Russian city of Belgorod, skirmished with the Russian army, and took 10 Russian soldiers captive. Two members of the anti-Kremlin militia were killed, Caesar said.

He described the recent incursion near the town of Shebekino as a “local raid and reconnaissance operation”. Caesar, who moved to Ukraine when Moscow’s full-scale invasion began, said he packed his Russian passport. “The border guards ran away. There was no one to show it to,” he joked.

 

[Spymaster]

Your arrogance has been a theme throughout the thread.

Genius has been mistaken for arrogance by idiots since time immemorial.

I'm ok with it

 

[TopCat]

You could join them Spy. Take the other neck beard warrior types with you.

 

[TopCat]

Genius has been mistaken for arrogance by idiots since time immemorial.

I'm ok with it

Andrea Leadsome is a more impressive Tory than you.

 

[TopCat]

Gavin Barwells turds have more weight than your views.

 

[Spymaster]

Andrea Leadsome is a more impressive Tory than you.

You poo your pants more than Mr Blobby

 

[TopCat]

You poo your pants more than Mr Blobby

Are we done now?

 

[kebabking]

I don’t think anyone serious actually believes the US have destroyed their chemical weapons.

What's your definition of serious?

 

[TopCat]

What's your definition of serious?

Ok did the verifying org define a chemical weapon?

Anyway I just expect the US to lie. A lot of form for it.

 

[Crispy]

"declared"

 

[TopCat]

"declared"

Well spotted.

 

[Chz]

I don’t think anyone serious actually believes the US have destroyed their chemical weapons.

Why wouldn't they, though? They're expensive to keep around, don't give any capability that more modern weapons systems don't already provide, and provoke revulsion and horror in most of the world. If it cost nothing to keep them around, or they provided some sort of different capability, I'd be inclined to agree with you. But there simply isn't any logical reason for them to keep them. The generals long ago decided that using chemical weapons was an escalation akin to using tactical nuclear weapons, but without the effectiveness. They're an historic anomaly in any country that can afford modern weapons. (and that is their one great advantage - they're cheap to cook up, even if it costs a lot to store them)

 

[TopCat]

Why wouldn't they, though? They're expensive to keep around, don't give any capability that more modern weapons systems don't already provide, and provoke revulsion and horror in most of the world. If it cost nothing to keep them around, or they provided some sort of different capability, I'd be inclined to agree with you. But there simply isn't any logical reason for them to keep them. The generals long ago decided that using chemical weapons was an escalation akin to using tactical nuclear weapons, but without the effectiveness. They're an historic anomaly in any country that can afford modern weapons. (and that is their one great advantage - they're cheap to cook up, even if it costs a lot to store them)

They like to keep their options open and have no problem with lying.

 

[Pickman's model]

You could join them Spy. Take the other neck beard warrior types with you.

To be fair to spymaster he doesn't sport any face (or neck) hair

 

[Crispy]

They like to keep their options open and have no problem with lying.

I don't doubt they keep a little bit of everything around "just in case" but I do doubt they keep significant quantities.

 

[LDC]

They like to keep their options open and have no problem with lying.

Russia's friend Assad has actually used them though, as has Russia down the road from you on UK soil. So there's that as well.

 

[Spymaster]

Russia's friend Assad has actually used them though, as has Russia down the road from you on UK soil. So there's that as well.

Shhhhh.

America bad - Russia good.

It's really simple.

 

[TopCat]

Russia's friend Assad has actually used them though, as has Russia down the road from you on UK soil. So there's that as well.

So they are ok then?