Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[DaveCinzano]

Is it worth watching?

I'd say so, it's pretty brisk

ETA:

It's on UK Netflix as Occupied

Watch Occupied | Netflix

In the near future, Russia initiates a "silk glove" invasion of Norway to restart oil production, but soon uncertainty, chaos and danger erupt.

www.netflix.com

 

[Spymaster]

Is it worth watching?

Definitely.

 

[kebabking]

You're saying the US government spied on the coalition provisional authority?

CIA and the State Department certainly did...

 

[Chilli.s]

I've often thought that CoD and similar online mulitplier games are perfect for communicating about alsorts of nefarious shit.

Think I once heard about Moshi Monsters (childrens spelling/maths game) being used as a communication tool for terrorists way back, seemed quite feasible

 

[Yossarian]

The source who claimed in the leaked files that Russian military leaders were going to throw the war while Putin was having chemotherapy was apparently way off

Leaked Pentagon Docs Share Wild Rumor: Kremlin Plans to ‘Throw’ Putin’s War While He’s Getting Chemo

The leaked documents suggested that a top Kremlin general would sabotage the war while Putin is distracted with cancer treatments.

www.vice.com

 

[CNT36]

Think I once heard about Moshi Monsters (childrens spelling/maths game) being used as a communication tool for terrorists way back, seemed quite feasible

My son used to play that. There was penguin chat or something as well and they used a kids penguin game in Four Lions.
I always liked some drug dealers method of communication. Having a shared login to hotmail and saving drafts to commmunicate. No actuakl emails ever sent.

 

[The39thStep]

Think I once heard about Moshi Monsters (childrens spelling/maths game) being used as a communication tool for terrorists way back, seemed quite feasible

Puffin Party

 

[DaveCinzano]

I always liked some drug dealers method of communication. Having a shared login to hotmail and saving drafts to commmunicate

Many a conviction came from trusting too much in that particular method

 

[Ming]

So i guess Ukraine is fucked then? The US Department of Defence internal documents seem to say so. Why are we supplying materiale? Face saving?

 

[WhyLikeThis]

Note how they emphasised the risk to US moles in the Russian Govt.

Combine that with the prediction Ukraine air defence will fail later this spring and this looks a bit fishy.

Get the Russians chasing their tails and causing stifling paranoia in the Kremlin. Give the Russians the false hope of Ukraine being on their last legs before a spring offensive.

Maybe I’m over thinking this one.

 

[strung out]

So i guess Ukraine is fucked then? The US Department of Defence internal documents seem to say so.

Which bit specifically says that?

Why are we supplying materiale? Face saving?

To stop Russia continuing their genocidal terror across the rest of Ukraine? I'd rather not have any more Buchas or Mariupols please. It's almost like people have forgotten the hundreds of executed civilians last year. The bodies in the streets of Bucha, the basement torture chambers, the mass graves of civilians with hands tied behind their backs are not something I ever want to see again.

Maybe Russia will be nicer second time round though, I don't know

 

[strung out]

And as if to demonstrate the above, a video has just surfaced of Russian soldiers beheading a Ukrainian PoW. Obviously not going to post it, because nobody ever needs to see that.

 

[Ming]

Which bit specifically says that?

To stop Russia continuing their genocidal terror across the rest of Ukraine? I'd rather not have any more Buchas or Mariupols please. It's almost like people have forgotten the hundreds of executed civilians last year. The bodies in the streets of Bucha, the basement torture chambers, the mass graves of civilians with hands tied behind their backs are not something I ever want to see again.

Maybe Russia will be nicer second time round though, I don't know

It seems the US expectation (on the basis of the leaked assessments) is Ukraine will not do well in the upcoming counteroffencive. Just seems a bit weird to me to not give them airpower and more tanks. It's like you're setting them up to fail.

I know the nuke risk has to be factored in but he's been rattling that sabre for years.

 

[emanymton]

It seems the US expectation (on the basis of the leaked assessments) is Ukraine will not do well in the upcoming counteroffencive. Just seems a bit weird to me to not give them airpower and more tanks. It's like you're setting them up to fail.

I know the nuke risk has to be factored in but he's been rattling that sabre for years.

The US also thought they would collapse in days at the start and were planning towards having to support an insurgency so I'd take their predictions with a pinch of salt. But yeah the Ukraine offensive is going to be rough it may not go all that great. But that is a long way from them being fucked.

 

[The39thStep]

kebabking

The official MoD line is that the leak demonstrated a "serious level of inaccuracy". However what functions would, hypothetically of course, the presence of UK and other Ukraine supporting countries special forces perform in Ukraine?

 

[Pickman's model]

kebabking

The official MoD line is that the leak demonstrated a "serious level of inaccuracy". However what functions would, hypothetically of course, the presence of UK and other Ukraine supporting countries special forces perform in Ukraine?

Hypothetical special reconnaissance and hypothetical training perhaps

 

[Pickman's model]

The US also thought they would collapse in days at the start and were planning towards having to support an insurgency so I'd take their predictions with a pinch of salt. But yeah the Ukraine offensive is going to be rough it may not go all that great. But that is a long way from them being fucked.

You don't think they should have planned for the worst then

 

[friedaweed]

I quite like the idea that the end of days for the world was brought about by a bunch of blokes dick waving over a video game. Nostradamus didn't see that one coming.

 

[kebabking]

kebabking

The official MoD line is that the leak demonstrated a "serious level of inaccuracy". However what functions would, hypothetically of course, the presence of UK and other Ukraine supporting countries special forces perform in Ukraine?

Broadly - and hypothetically, of course - the kind of things you'd be doing would be sending independent reporting back to your government (Ukraine is the UK's friend, but they are interested in their best interests, not ours...), liaison for stuff like intelligence gathering, help with analysis from intelligence gathering, and help with training for technical stuff like Ground Target Designators.

Beware of reading too much into it though - 'Special Forces in Ukraine' might simply mean the protection teams at the embassy.

 

[kabbes]

I quite like the idea that the end of days for the world was brought about by a bunch of blokes dick waving over a video game. Nostradamus didn't see that one coming.

“The truth shall be revealed, the veil of lies torn apart,
The faithful shall falter, and the world shall lose its heart.
But out of the ashes, a new dawn shall rise,
A world reborn, with wisdom and light in its eyes.”

 

[Mattym]

Is it worth watching?

We really enjoyed watching it!

 

[A380]

Broadly - and hypothetically, of course - the kind of things you'd be doing would be sending independent reporting back to your government (Ukraine is the UK's friend, but they are interested in their best interests, not ours...), liaison for stuff like intelligence gathering, help with analysis from intelligence gathering, and help with training for technical stuff like Ground Target Designators.
…

And presumably gathering material for a selection of mass market paperbacks?

 

[A380]

“The truth shall be revealed, the veil of lies torn apart,
The faithful shall falter, and the world shall lose its heart.
But out of the ashes, a new dawn shall rise,
A world reborn, with wisdom and light in its eyes, inset coins to continue .”

FTFY

 

[Yossarian]

“The truth shall be revealed, the veil of lies torn apart,
The faithful shall falter, and the world shall lose its heart.
But out of the ashes, a new dawn shall rise,
A world reborn, with wisdom and light in its eyes.”

"Everything not saved will be lost."

 

[A380]

"Everything not saved will be lost."

All your deities belong to us.

 

[friedaweed]

I'd say so, it's pretty brisk

ETA:

It's on UK Netflix as Occupied

Watch Occupied | Netflix

In the near future, Russia initiates a "silk glove" invasion of Norway to restart oil production, but soon uncertainty, chaos and danger erupt.

www.netflix.com

Is it subtitled much? %age?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Is it subtitled much? %age?

It's in Norwegian and Russian

 

[friedaweed]

It's in Norwegian and Russian

I'll have a gander in the daytime then. I find myself nodding off if I watch anything with subtitles in in the evening.

 

[spitfire]

I'll have a gander in the daytime then. I find myself nodding off if I watch anything with subtitles in in the evening.

I think they switch to English when discussing between nationalities, Nor - Ru, Nor - EU etc. so there's a real mixed bag but it was a while ago i saw it.

 

[friedaweed]

I think they switch to English when discussing between nationalities, Nor - Ru, Nor - EU etc. so there's a real mixed bag but it was a while ago i saw it.

Cheers. I watched the trailer and it looks right up my street. We watch a lot of Scandi stuff but I have to keep going back every time I nod off much to the disgust of my skim-reading wife.