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Ukip - why are they gaining support?

DotCommunist said:
its not the same really, ukip has a veneer of respectability that the BNP never managed, even at the height of their star.
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UKIP has drawn part of its' membership from a very different demographic - from a libertarian right that Old One-Eye was never able to embrace or appeal to, regardless of how much Euro-right spin he put on the BNP's politics - and that does give a measure of respectability, particularly in the eyes of some Conservative supporters who find Cameron's seeming wetness an irritation. To them, I'd say Frage's appeal lies as much in his seeming certainty on issues, as in the policies (such as they are) he stands behind.
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
I go along with quite a lot of that post, but certainly not the "elephant in the room" thing. Migration is talked about a great deal. Why do people act as if it isn't?
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Migration is "talked about a great deal".
On what terms, though? I'd argue that the "talk" covers a very narrow part of the "immigration" debate - the part that can be used as a dog whistle against immigrants - and doesn't explore either lived experience or the nature of immigration under neoliberalism.
 
I guess that if ukip members/voters making racist comments is proof that UKIP support those sentiments then we must also assume that labour support stabbing people.
 
SpackleFrog said:
It's also because most of "The Left" are full on afraid of working class estates. I've reached a point now where I've decided that most of the 57 varieties are constructing theoretical justifications to "vote Labour with no illusions" purely to avoid having to go near a council estate and discover how utterly fucking useless they are.
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While we've seen the occasional ward councillor canvassing over the last 15 years, we've only been canvassed once during a G.E. and we're not a "bad" estate by any means.
While I don't agree that "the left" per se are "afraid" of working class estates, I do think that some (especially middle class) activists believe that they'll be challenged more readily on the estates, and also assume that estates are either full of "tribal Labour voters", or of people who won't vote full-stop, so don't stir their arses.
I also absolutely agree that the non-Labour left default to the hoary old "vote Labour with no illusions" schtick far too often, but not purely on the basis of not wanting to admit how useless they are. It's also because it preserves the status quo that even our most revolutionary organised elements of the left feel comfortable with.
 
J Ed said:
If someone delivered a UKIP leaflet to me I wouldn't assume for a second that they were a UKIP member tbh.
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20 years ago, maybe, but some parties (even the 3 mainstream parties!) don't have enough local activists in some areas to reliably ensure that leaflets get delivered, so everyone farms it out to delivery agencies.
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
That's not the point I was making, as well you know. But now you're just into base twisting and strawmen. The point you are making seems to rest on the fact that such endless propaganda has no effect, and that it's the smug work of chest-prodders to suppose otherwise. But there's more evidence that it does have an effect.
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The point he's making is that such propaganda's effect is self-limiting - extreme arguments win few converts, they mostly just shore up the opinions of the already-converted. "State propaganda" has to be a hell of a lot more all-encompassing than what you've posited, in order to actually generate fresh converts - we're talking a full-scale assault by a united media front a la Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Russia, not something on the scale of the current situation.
 
I think taffboy could so with being introduced to modern cultural theory - even the basics like Halls encoding/decoding model. It might help him move beyond this media obsession - or at least understand how it works in a bit more depth. But, then that wouldn't leave much of his huh huh thickos approach in place i suppose.
 
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Mation said:
How?
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How would they influence the EU? Well, for starters, by setting out to influence the choice of Commissioners taking office in the autumn.

More generally and in mood-music rather than specific nameable interventions: by reinforcing the climate that exists in Brussels of appeasment of the UK. Which would mean more pro-capitalist measures and no pro-social measures.

Why? Freedom of movement of capital is in the interests of UKIP's big backers - consider Party Treasurer gambling tycoon Stuart Wheeler.

Am I answering the question you had in mind?
 
laptop said:
How would they influence the EU? Well, for starters, by setting out to influence the choice of Commissioners taking office in the autumn.

More generally and in mood-music rather than specific nameable interventions: by reinforcing the climate that exists in Brussels of appeasment of the UK. Which would mean more pro-capitalist measures and no pro-social measures.

Why? Freedom of movement of capital is in the interests of UKIP's big backers - consider Party Treasurer gambling tycoon Stuart Wheeler.

Am I answering the question you had in mind?
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Yes - cheers :)
 
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Who thought that this would be the best approach?
 
apologies to all for delay in responding to comments on here. i have been busy canvassing in my burngreave ward.
i was expecting to gain votes from disillusioned white british labour voters. however, whilst canvassing it has become apparent that many non white voters are supporting me as they are fed up with blunkett's lack of contact with his constituents and the labour council's way of dealing with problems in the area.
canvassing has been difficult because so many people have been stopping me in the street to tell me what they want UKIP to do, both nationally and locally. so i have had several hours talking to people instead of visiting every street to make sure my election communications have been delivered.
this friday's count should be interesting.
a couple of people have told me that a woman has been canvassing in their area telling them to vote for the first one on the list because UKIP are racist. anyone know who the first one on the list is?
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this was posted on a local forum by a UKIP candidate, if its true, then I reckon the LP have even more difficulties in the future and the unreconstructed left are not seen as option by this part of the constituency.

btw, I remember canvassing for the Socialist Alliance in the 2001 elections, the same thing happened to us, hundreds of people came up to us, desperate to be heard/helped, the SA(basically the SWP component) promised all sorts of help, it never came and the SA vote was derisory even though we had a great candidate.
 
Labour Party donor and and stalwart of the Labour's 'Finance and Industry Group' (LFIG) Ian Wallace has today announced that he is joining UKIP after becoming disillusioned by the direction the Labour Party has taken. Mr Wallace has called on Labour members to join UKIP alongside him, to vote for them in tomorrow's European and local elections, and indeed give them support in the 2015 general election.
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more shifts from labour?
 
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