Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[hipipol]

Cunning and a long term thinker - a good description of wise.

Is this people with nothing to say about the thread making threads about them day btw?

"a good description of wise"?
I cant believe you actually think that
As for somehow making this about me?
Bizarre
As you well know, I will drop in, offer a critique, then bugger off again
Hardly the way to make it all about me

 

[butchersapron]

"a good description of wise"?
I cant believe you actually think that
As for somehow making this about me?
Bizarre
As you well know, I will drop in, offer a critique, then bugger off again
Hardly the way to make it all about me

If only you did offer a critique - could you point to one? No, you walk in throw up and fuck off.

 

[hipipol]

No but you're not the one to tell 'them' anything. Who are you and who do you think you're talking to? What does this mean?

"So you think the majority have a complete understanding of everything do you?"

People dont
I certainly dont
You seem to have some idea of how you think people should behave, so I assume that you have something to impart that would enable them to see your point

 

[hipipol]

If only you did offer a critique - could you point to one? No, you walk in throw up and fuck off.

No actual response then other than to drop a little niggle
If thats your choice I will stick around this thread

 

[butchersapron]

No actual response then other than to drop a little niggle
If thats your choice I will stick around this thread

Response to what? Tell me what you have posted that requires or even invites a response beyond what you've already received.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Do we all
have to post
in free verse
now
if so
I'm toast

 

[hipipol]

Response to what? Tell me what you have posted that requires or even invites a response beyond what you've already received.

Your claim that said I Modi would be wise for example

 

[butchersapron]

Your claim that said I Modi would be wise for example

Dealt with - you expect him to be wise enough not to do what last BJP people did. Anything to say about UKIP or about the responses to your thoughts on UKIP?

 

[hipipol]

Dealt with - you expect him to be wise enough not to do what last BJP people did. Anything to say about UKIP or about the responses to your thoughts on UKIP?

Not dealt with at all, but no matter
Farage is a clever soundbite manipulator who has manged to sell the notion he is Geezer from down the pub full of no nonsense talk
He is similar to all the folksy Yank marshals who get away with housing prisoners in tents in the desert
I go back to the statement of stupidity - humans are, by their very nature, extremely stupid
People make decisions, and I include myself here, based on gut reaction then produce the justification
Most are able to re think the decision but only if confronted by a stronger argument
Current mainstream "leaders" seem unable to provide such a response

 

[not-bono-ever]

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[Treacle Toes]

Maria Pizzey
8 hrs


This is UKIP's MEP candidate for the South East. She described herself as Nigel's number 2. She told us to f**k off because we stood peacefully holding placards accusing UKIP of racist policies. She offered no debate or arguments to defend her party and despite the chap in the picture asking us to pose for photos, this was her response when asked to return the favour. She made personal comments about my body size and when I told her I would quote her widely she said "I don't care where you f***ing post this, just f**k off!" Hilariously, I have just discovered she is UKIP's press advisor. This is the most rude and aggressive individual I have had the misfortune to come across and she wants to represent this country in Europe. By the way her name is Janice Atkinson.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Here's her facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/janice.atkinson.984

.. and here she is on Twitter being unpleasant.

https://twitter.com/JaniceUKIP

 

[classicdish]

and the reply:

Dear John Lyndon Sullivan,
Hello! I’m one of those whatevers you’ve read about...
continued: http://notsowunderbar.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/open-letter.html

 

[Awesome Wells]

Here's her facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/janice.atkinson.984

.. and here she is on Twitter being unpleasant.

https://twitter.com/JaniceUKIP

She's the welfare person for the party!

 

[smokedout]

They tend then to cleave to a simplistic and easy answer
This makes them stupid

Do you even realise what you just said

 

[treelover]

Here's her facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/janice.atkinson.984

.. and here she is on Twitter being unpleasant.

https://twitter.com/JaniceUKIP

not defending her or attacking the sentiments of the protestors, but if you have such inflammatory placards stuck in your face, then most people would respond with such a gesture.

 

[laptop]

not defending her or attacking the sentiments of the protestors, but if you have such inflammatory placards stuck in your face, then most people would respond with such a gesture.

Anyone who thinks those are inflammatory has led a sheltered life.

 

[hipipol]

Do you even realise what you just said

Yes
Humans are stupid

 

[smokedout]

Yes
Humans are stupid

are you trying to prove humans are stupid by proving that you're stupid?

 

[Wilf]

Must admit, I quite like it when politicians tell protesters to fuck off. If ukippers are still at the stage of responding in a normal, un-spin, unprofessional way that's a good thing. In fact its the only conceivable good thing I can think of about the sacks of shit.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Must admit, I quite like it when politicians tell protesters to fuck off. If ukippers are still at the stage of responding in a normal, un-spin, unprofessional way that's a good thing. In fact its the only conceivable good thing I can think of about the sacks of shit.

Interesting comment. I suspect the slick PR and 'on message' fakeness of the major parties strongly signifies un-trustworthiness to a great many people.

Tony Blair and David Cameron's eras being much of a muchness in that respect.

One of the things many people seem to have liked about Thatcher was that most of the time she managed to sound sincere to them (even to people who thought she was evil in some cases.)

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Butchers - this is the poll I referred to earlier in the week about 4% being certain to vote UKIP in next years Generals:

http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...olitical-Monitor-May-2014-Europe-Section.aspx

 

[DotCommunist]

prescott got respect from some quarters over the two-jabs response to an egging

 

[butchersapron]

Butchers - this is the poll I referred to earlier in the week about 4% being certain to vote UKIP in next years Generals:

http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...olitical-Monitor-May-2014-Europe-Section.aspx

Thank you for digging it out - the page isn't loading. I'll check it when it is,

 

[Wilf]

Interesting comment. I suspect the slick PR and 'on message' fakeness of the major parties strongly signifies un-trustworthiness to a great many people.

Tony Blair and David Cameron's eras being much of a muchness in that respect.

One of the things many people seem to have liked about Thatcher was that most of the time she managed to sound sincere to them (even to people who thought she was evil in some cases.)

... and that's one of the ironies of the Thatcher 'project'. She herself had an image that was constructed, along with the wider use of ad agencies, but somehow got across a reputation for plain speaking. Authoritarian populism (Stuart Hall?)? Must admit I can't see it personally with Farage, he always comes across as unadulterated gobshite, more the bloke in the pub you want to punch than anything else, though as butchers has just been saying on the other thread he actually lags behind his party in terms of popularity. But yeah, the ukipper giving the photographer the finger is, for the moment, an almost endearing quality.

 

[Wilf]

prescott got respect from some quarters over the two-jabs response to an egging

I seem to remember Blair was trapped between milking it and criticising it. Came out with some 'john will be john' type bollocks.

 

[J Ed]

From the Private Eye on Tory leaks about UKIP to the media

 

[brogdale]

From the Private Eye on Tory leaks about UKIP to the media

Looks like CCHQ have worked the Telegraph today...

UKIP conference mired in controversy over Nazi costumes
Some conference-goers chose to flout a ban on Nazi uniforms at the annual 1940s-themed weekend in Middle England

For UKIP members, it's one of the highlights of the year.

But the annual 1940s-themed conference in Middle England has found itself mired in controversy yet again after a group of visitors arrived dressed in SS uniforms.

For the third year running, conference-goers were confronted with a small group of members who chose to flout guidelines on Nazi uniforms.

Those watching delegates arriving were horrified to find some members donning swastikas and other Nazi regalia.

 

[laptop]

Looks like CCHQ have worked the Telegraph today...

Oddly, that now has no reference to UKIP... if it's the same story?

 

[Corax]

and the reply:

Dear John Lyndon Sullivan,
Hello! I’m one of those whatevers you’ve read about...
continued: http://notsowunderbar.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/open-letter.html

And besides, you might be surprised. We’re quite hardy, as a bunch. Some of the things we do to each other for pleasure can be really bloody painful.