Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[taffboy gwyrdd]

so you like to hand it out but don't like taking it. what a low wretch you are.

These boards are swimming with it to be fair. And it doesn't give a good impression of some political positions that deserve more attention.

 

[Fingers]

Did anyone hear/watch Farages wonderful car crash interview on LBC this morning? James O'Brien pretty much destroyed him.

It ended up with his Director of Comms, Patrick O'Flynn, shutting down the interview, and according to station staff, dragging Farage out of the studio.

As this blog commentator said, it was his Nick Griffin moment and his mask well and truly slipped.

Watch it here (adverts for first two minutes)

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...rage-has-just-had-his-nick-griffin-moment/?fb

 

[killer b]

Nick griffins career never recovered from his QT appearance? What?

 

[DotCommunist]

he didn't come of off that one as smoothly as he does on QT etc.

the owed tax money for a family business one rattled him a bit in particular.

 

[Lo Siento.]

Did anyone hear/watch Farages wonderful car crash interview on LBC this morning? James O'Brien pretty much destroyed him.

It ended up with his Director of Comms, Patrick O'Flynn, shutting down the interview, and according to station staff, dragging Farage out of the studio.

As this blog commentator said, it was his Nick Griffin moment and his mask well and truly slipped.

Watch it here (adverts for first two minutes)

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...rage-has-just-had-his-nick-griffin-moment/?fb

Did it? I don't think there was anything in that interview that would particularly perturb the 20 ish per cent considering voting for the man.

 

[butchersapron]

Few quick things: Dan Hodges is paid to make bold predictions such as UKIP are over, labour have already lost the election etc he's always wrong. In this case he' wrong because UKIP voters aren't massed in london listening to bloody LBC - it means nothing nationally - who the hell is james o brien anyway? The BNP's votes went up after Griffin appeared on QT. Their collapse had nothing to do with QT and to think that it does is merely to demonstrates the media bubble hodges lives in.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Trouble is that UKIP (like the main three parties) appears to have no intention of addressing those inequalities.

A lot of support comes from people picking them because they're 'not the others'.

Sure or 'because they'll let us smoke in pubs again' ...

 

[Fingers]

Did it? I don't think there was anything in that interview that would particularly perturb the 20 ish per cent considering voting for the man.

You are probably right but further down the line there is no way he can claim he does not have racist views about certain types of immigrants. That lie is well and truly busted. It will always be brought up in future debates

 

[killer b]

Few quick things: Dan Hodges is paid to make bold predictions such as UKIP are over, labour have already lost the election etc he's always wrong. In this case he' wrong because UKIP voters aren't massed in london listening to bloody LBC - it means nothing nationally - who the hell is james o brien anyway?The BNP's votes went up after Griffin appeared on QT. Their collapse had nothing to with QT and to think that it does it to just demonstrates the media bubble hodges lives in.

if reality doesn't fit, just make a different reality up. a better world is possible.

 

[Lo Siento.]

You are probably right but further down the line there is no way he can claim he does not have racist views about certain types of immigrants. That lie is well and truly busted. It will always be brought up in future debates

Racism is not the political silver bullet that people seem to think it is.

 

[Awesome Wells]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...rage-has-just-had-his-nick-griffin-moment/?fb

What happened in between has effectively finished Nigel Farage’s political career.

If only.

 

[brogdale]

Labour's attack from Dugher...

The MP for Barnsley East said: “The idea that Nigel Farage is some sort of the voice of the working class frankly is bollocks.” He claimed the Ukip leader “masquerades as the anti-politics candidate” but had in spent 15 years as a full-time politician in the European Parliament. Mr Dugher pointed out that Mr Farage was a former stockbroker and anti-working class. “Look at his policies - taking away workers' rights, charging people to see their GP and tax cuts for millionaires,” he told the Daily Express

Whereas... Michael?

 

[Lo Siento.]

Labour's attack from Dugher...



Whereas... Michael?

Yep, which is why none of these criticisms work without a credible working class alternative.

 

[Pickman's model]

These boards are swimming with it to be fair. And it doesn't give a good impression of some political positions that deserve more attention.

you didn't notice then that i wasn't handing out gratuitous insults, unlike Awesome Wells, but that i was commenting on awesome wells' use of mental illness in a cuss. you may have noticed that using mh as a putdown doesn't generally go down too well round here but it's no surprise to me to see someone like you not taking issue with awesome wells use of mh to rubbish butchers but to act as an apologist for same. you should be ashamed of yourself. but i don't suppose you are.

 

[Wilf]

Ukip aren't going to be destroyed by Farage's foot in mouthery, or even that of his yet more idiotic colleagues. Mind they are giving it a good go.

 

[Pickman's model]

It is all about scoring points isn't it? Perhaps you and your master ought to take a bit of time out to consider whether there's just a hint of truth in the oft repeated criticism of your posting style. Instead you just go into full attack mode. That may or may not be a sympton of underlying issues of self esteem or whatever, but it certainly puts people off.

no, it's not all about scoring points. my little exchange with Awesome Wells was about wells' use of mh to rubbish butchersapron. wells hasn't come back and said 'actually i know what i'm talking about as i'm a mh professional', resorting instead of sweary wank. but you'd rather have a pop at me instead of doing the right thing - which in this case is to take wells to task for stooping so low. but then you're a bit of a twat so i'm by no means surprised you act as you do.

 

[Pickman's model]

Ukip aren't going to be destroyed by Farage's foot in mouthery, or even that of his yet more idiotic colleagues. Mind they are giving it a good go.

frankly what's more likely to fuck ukip up than anything else is the very thing they want - power. it's one thing to pose as an anti-party party but if they got a foothold on the domestic political scene they'd be done for. their lords famously didn't turn up or speak at the recent debate about immigration there. and there's no reason to suppose any councillors or mps they got would do a better job. it wouldn't be long before any councillors or mps they got would be hauled up before standards people and i would be surprised if any local or national assembly reps they got lasted more than one term. the quality's not there at the grassroots any more than it is at the top of the party.

 

[classicdish]

...i was commenting on awesome wells' use of mental illness in a cuss...

"Psychodrama" isn't a mental illness tho'.

 

[Pickman's model]

"Psychodrama" isn't a mental illness tho'.

what did you expect from someone like Awesome Wells, an insightful diagnosis and plan of treatment? when someone says

That's partly why i don't like ignore lists, that and i prefer to hear what people have to say, but that guy has issues clearly so it's best not to indulge his sad little psychodrama.

it's fairly clear what they're talking about. unless you're being wilfully daft.

 

[Dogsauce]

The racism slurs might be enough to discourage the politically engaged that support them - but that'll be more likely to be the tory voters, right? Is that why papers are using this tactic? Pointing out the 'fuck the poor' policies might deter the people the right-wing press *want* to vote UKIP.

 

[Pickman's model]

The racism slurs might be enough to discourage the politically engaged that support them - but that'll be more likely to be the tory voters, right? Is that why papers are using this tactic? Pointing out the 'fuck the poor' policies might deter the people the right-wing press *want* to vote UKIP.

they don't want to point out the 'fuck the poor' policies because the tories, the labour party and indeed the lib dems have all fucked over the poor to a far greater extent than ukip thus far has managed.

 

[Lo Siento.]

The racism slurs might be enough to discourage the politically engaged that support them - but that'll be more likely to be the tory voters, right? Is that why papers are using this tactic? Pointing out the 'fuck the poor' policies might deter the people the right-wing press *want* to vote UKIP.

Farage/unknown Ukipper did a racism is an easier story that fits with the existing narrative is all.

 

[Dogsauce]

Today's hatchet (from the times originally), seems an awkward one. Incident is from June last year, I imagine the press (or someone feeding them) has a massive library of these tales, enough to keep them going for a while yet. Amusing how these stories always seem to be phrased 'it emerged today'.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...rkshire-ukip-candidate-s-restaurant-1-6620701

UKIP’S small business spokesman, who is standing for election in Yorkshire to the EU parliament, faced claims of hypocrisy today after it emerged seven people were arrested for immigration offences in a raid on his restaurant.

 

[butchersapron]

Today's hatchet (from the times originally), seems an awkward one. Incident is from June last year, I imagine the press (or someone feeding them) has a massive library of these tales, enough to keep them going for a while yet. Amusing how these stories always seem to be phrased 'it emerged today'.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...rkshire-ukip-candidate-s-restaurant-1-6620701

It's hope not hate feeding them mostly.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

you didn't notice then that i wasn't handing out gratuitous insults, unlike Awesome Wells, but that i was commenting on awesome wells' use of mental illness in a cuss. you may have noticed that using mh as a putdown doesn't generally go down too well round here but it's no surprise to me to see someone like you not taking issue with awesome wells use of mh to rubbish butchers but to act as an apologist for same. you should be ashamed of yourself. but i don't suppose you are.

I was making a general point, not referring to the current spat. You've gone and made this personal as well, going on about whether I should be ashamed and if I am. I don't follow every internicine squabble here. Sorry about that. Though I don't always stick to it either, I prefer to talk about the thread subject matter.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

they don't want to point out the 'fuck the poor' policies because the tories, the labour party and indeed the lib dems have all fucked over the poor to a far greater extent than ukip thus far has managed.

Much of the press has also been in on the "fuck the poor game".

The reactionary press have a tricky situation, but are handling it quite well and are less accountable by far than even the politicians. "Perogative of the harlot" or whatever the phrase was.

Point being that they'll feign some disdain towards the party, having promoted the hate agenda for years before the party was even born. Then, when the party do pretty well it will be "See...we told you so...that people are really angry about migration" (not least because they've been systematically winding people up and lying for years).

It suits the right in some ways to have the tories outflanked to the right to pull them right. Pretty bloody obvious really.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

If only.

"griffin moment" could be a misnomer. Griffin on QT didn't neccessarily lose him support he already had, it was part of a more general clusterfuck.

And NF goofing up an interview wont neccessarily alienate current support. What all the goofs do is prevent them from getting very much further.

After the Euros the bubble will deflate anyhow for a while. It will be up to the media if and when they re inflate it specifically, but they will continue to print "divide and rule" hatred and lies on the migration theme, doing some of the partys work for them in any case.

I haven't looked at the Torygraph comments yet, but I expect it's crawling with the usual bell-ends trying to insist that their emperor is actually very well clothed indeed.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Surprised that some people here haven't been going crazy about (NSFW i suppose) this.

Spoiler: pic

The image is actually posed for an art project (NSFW) http://www.thedualism.com/ but yeah, the tats...

 

[teqniq]

Sure or 'because they'll let us smoke in pubs again' ...

Believe it or not two people I know have actually said that.

 

[Awesome Wells]

"griffin moment" could be a misnomer. Griffin on QT didn't neccessarily lose him support he already had, it was part of a more general clusterfuck.

And NF goofing up an interview wont neccessarily alienate current support. What all the goofs do is prevent them from getting very much further.

After the Euros the bubble will deflate anyhow for a while. It will be up to the media if and when they re inflate it specifically, but they will continue to print "divide and rule" hatred and lies on the migration theme, doing some of the partys work for them in any case.

I haven't looked at the Torygraph comments yet, but I expect it's crawling with the usual bell-ends trying to insist that their emperor is actually very well clothed indeed.

Oh it's the MSM picking on Farage!
The interviewer is rubbish/a lefty/gay/biased/racist himself/part of the EU.

The usual shite and denial.