Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Oh it's the MSM picking on Farage!
The interviewer is rubbish/a lefty/gay/biased/racist himself/part of the EU.

The usual shite and denial.

Yeah, I've seen all that. As risible as it is typical. Few things are more daft than such turgid reactionaries thinking they are groundbreaking mavericks.

 

[killer b]

but it is the MSM picking on Farage. Fairly blatantly so.

 

[hipipol]

Ukip are gaining ground because the majority of people, all people, from all nations and cultures are essentially tribal and stupid
It has ever been thus

 

[butchersapron]

Ukip are gaining ground because the majority of people, all people, from all nations and cultures are essentially tribal and stupid
It has ever been thus

Deep man. Clueless.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Christ in a gimp mask! Lisa Duffy, from the ukips, is being thoroughly humiliated on the wireless!

 

[butchersapron]

So?

There is a world outside of the media. There really really is.

 

[hipipol]

Deep man. Clueless.

Nope, not entirely
I realise that statement was glib
But people are daft
Caesar
Thatcher
Abba
Etc

 

[Buckaroo]

Ukip are gaining ground because the majority of people, all people, from all nations and cultures are essentially tribal and stupid
It has ever been thus

Well fuck off then. People are stupid, always have been, always will be, end of, nuff said etc. Fuck off.

 

[hipipol]

So?

There is a world outside of the media. There really really is.

Shurely shom mishtake???????

 

[butchersapron]

Nope, not entirely
I realise that statement was glib
But people are daft
Caesar
Thatcher
Abba
Etc

Just
Shut
Up
You haven't offered anything for some
time now

 

[Buckaroo]

Nope, not entirely
I realise that statement was glib
But people are daft
Caesar
Thatcher
Abba
Etc

Christ
You

 

[hipipol]

Well fuck off then. People are stupid, always have been, always will be, end of, nuff said etc. Fuck off.

My you are sensitive
The majority have fears which they have problems dealing with, even admitting
They tend then to cleave to a simplistic and easy answer
This makes them stupid
India has just voted a Hindu Fascist to run the country
They have enough evidence to know what Modi's about
BUT, they chose him
No different here
People will opt for the simple proposition

 

[butchersapron]

My you are sensitive
The majority have fears which they have problems dealing with, even admitting
They tend then to cleave to a simplistic and easy answer
This makes them stupid
India has just voted a Hindu Fascist to run the country
They have enough evidence to know what Modi's about
BUT, they chose him
No different here
People will opt for the simple proposition

Odd then that this morning you reckoned he'll be a wise leader. You simple minded prat.

 

[hipipol]

Just
Shut
Up
You haven't offered anything for some
time now

Not that you like anyway

 

[hipipol]

Odd then that this morning you reckoned he'll be a wise leader. You simple minded prat.

I didnt say that, and if you had half a head you would remember what I actually said
But then, that doesn't suit you does it?
Happier ranting than thinking

 

[butchersapron]

Not that you like anyway

No, not all - to any thread - nothing. Just an empty space of half remembered facts that people put you right on and a desperate clinging to a sense that you were once superior, more informed, more cutting than other people at some point in your life. Maybe you were. Who knows, who cares. You're shot and shit now.

 

[butchersapron]

I didnt say that, and if you had half a head you would remember what I actually said
But then, that doesn't suit you does it?
Happier ranting than thinking

Yes you did.

 

[hipipol]

No, not all - to any thread - nothing. Just an empty space of half remembered facts that people put you right on and a desperate clinging to a sense that you were once superior, more informed, more cutting than other people at some point in your life. Maybe you were. Who knows, who cares. You're shot and shit now.

Well I certainly seemed to have riled you
You are totally absorbed by short term surface froth - well as I see it anyway
As for once being cutting edge...
I once held a very divergent view of Plato to the rest of my peers

 

[butchersapron]

Well I certainly seemed to have riled you
You are totally absorbed by short term surface froth - well as I see it anyway
As for once being cutting edge...
I once held a very divergent view of Plato to the rest of my peers

Riled me? I think your contribution to the thread is worth 30 seconds of response. And that's what you got. And thank you for supporting the second part of my response.

 

[Buckaroo]

Everyone is stupid except people like him. Tedious shit. Dull.

 

[hipipol]

Yes you did.

"He is likely to be less stupid"

This does not say he wont be stupid, but just likely to be "Less Stupid" in comparison to an out and out communalist like LK Advani

Tricky language

 

[butchersapron]

"He is likely to be less stupid"

This does not say he wont be stupid, but just likely to be "Less Stupid" in comparison to an out and out communalist like LK Advani

Tricky language

Because of his wisdom. Therefore he is wise. Not that tricky.

 

[hipipol]

Everyone is stupid except people like him. Tedious shit. Dull.

Nice
So you think the majority have a complete understanding of everything do you?
You have nothing to tall them?

 

[hipipol]

Because of his wisdom. Therefore he is wise. Not that tricky.

Thats idiotic
Less Stupid means wise?
When Did I ever impune the word wisdom with his name?
I think you'll find I described him a s cunning

 

[butchersapron]

Thats idiotic
Less Stupid means wise?
When Did I ever impune the word wisdom with his name?
I think you'll find I described him a s cunning

Cunning and a long term thinker - a good description of wise.

Is this people with nothing to say about the thread making threads about them day btw?

 

[Buckaroo]

Nice
So you think the majority have a complete understanding of everything do you?
You have nothing to tall them?

No but you're not the one to tell 'them' anything. Who are you and who do you think you're talking to? What does this mean?

"So you think the majority have a complete understanding of everything do you?"

 

[J Ed]

Apologies for linking to this right-wing 'libertarian' website but I couldn't find the story elsewhere and if true this Tory homophobic campaigning is quite disgusting.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/16/tory-party-leaflet-east-london

Another leaflet, not confirmed to be created by the Conservative Party themselves, highlights a number of issues that might be of concern to the local Muslim population, in addition to echoing the Conservatives' concerns over gambling". It reads: "I don't support the Tories in their national policies, but locally, here in Newham, they are our best bet to stop the Labour cartel that's killing our community and kids. That's why, after 19 years, I will be voting Conservative on 22nd May."

The leaflet has been described as "homophobic" by Twitter users who have highlighted its section called "Representation Fail" which states: "We have one of the biggest council/resident mismatches in the country. In senior council positions, there are 7 times more gays and 3 times less ethnic minorities than the resident population. The vast majority of council managers describe themselves as atheist while Newham is the most religious borough in the UK. A gay council boss and councillor have even been caught with their pants down in Wanstead Flats".

It's interesting that these former Respect candidates are standing for the Tories, I suppose it just shows how progressive the Respect project was in the first place.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Believe it or not two people I know have actually said that.

Yep, at least one has said it to me.

Having said that though, on probing a bit their view was more like ...

"The mainstream parties (very much including nuLabour) are all about imposing nanny state bullshit (like smoking bans) on us instead of addressing our real (economic and social) concerns. Fuck 'em ... "

 

[Awesome Wells]

but it is the MSM picking on Farage. Fairly blatantly so.

To a point that's true, but FWIW O Brien gave IDS a similar grilling and I've no reason to assume he wouldn't grill other party interviewees.

So I would say that all parties should bear this level of scrutiny. Not that UKIP should be allowed to get away with the same free pass that the main parties seem to enjoy.

 

[butchersapron]

Yep, at least one has said it to me.

Having said that though, on probing a bit their view was more like ...

"The mainstream parties (very much including nuLabour) are all about imposing nanny state bullshit (like smoking bans) on us instead of addressing our real (economic and social) concerns. Fuck 'em ... "

Bingo - i think that piece linked to much earlier did actually identify this quite well.