Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[krtek a houby]

Hey, maybe that's why i answered his question as to who he was. Don''t start with your shit.

Nah, you had a moment of self righteous superiority and belittled the poster. It's your m.o.

 

[brogdale]

Perhaps he didn't know who the bloke was? Not all of us are a walking encyclopedia.

Not very difficult to find out tbf...

BASIC POLICY IN BRIEF

1. To leave the European Union, retaining normal friendship and trading relations.
2. To develop close links with the Commonwealth.
3. To stop open border migration from the EU and to establish an immigration policy similar to that of Australia, based on national needs.
4. To fight against EU inspired impositions, such as, in the West Midlands:
   1. HS2; this scheme will exceed £100bn, when the money is urgently needed elsewhere
   2. The Hartlebury incinerator: stop foreign interference in national waste management strategy
   3. The selling off of national infrastructure and institutions: The Post Office, railways etc.
   4. Renationalisation where the private sector has failed, eg the M6 Toll.
5. Law and order: Cancel Police Crime Commissioners. Take power away from the European courts. Westminster should be unfettered by foreign legal impositions, such as votes for prisoners, sentencing, rights of appeal, etc.
6. Health: the culture of waste in the NHS must be limited and savings rewarded by additional funding. A service for those who have contributed, so stopping medical tourism.
   Whilst we have no problem with private hospitals and have no issue with people who wish to pay for their treatment WE DO NOT ACCEPT A MIXED PRIVATE/STATE FUNDED NHS.
7. Overseas Aid: should go to worthy causes in countries showing that their aim is to help the poor, rather than fire rockets into space.
8. Education: greater scrutiny of free schools, and foreign students, including EU citizens, to pay full fees.

Looks like the ramblings of someone who doesn't actually know very much about politics.

 

[butchersapron]

Nah, you had a moment of self righteous superiority and belittled the poster. It's your m.o.

He asked a question i answered. Then pointed out a little irony (in the common everyday use of the term). And then you came on doing this again:

krtek: Hey you, you over there, you're a cunt, come here you cunt.
someone: Why are you calling me a cunt and trying to pick a fight.
krtek: Oh here we go, look at this cunt trying to cause trouble, he's got form for it, the cunt.
Someone: eh?
krtek: Hey you, you over there, you're a cunt, come here you cunt.
someone else: Why are you calling me a cunt and trying to pick a fight.

It's tired old and pointless.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Farage: I was on a train and nobody around me spoke English and I felt slightly uncomfortable.
O'Brien: Your wife's a German speaker.
F: And my children are too
O'B: Does that make you feel uncomfortable?
F: No, but they can speak English
O'B How do you know those people couldn't?
F: I got the distinct feeling it wasn't their language of choice.

What a twat!

 

[Mr.Bishie]

He really does deserve a fuckin' good hoofing tbh.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Quality not quantity says Farage: so Romanian men are less 'quality' than german kids (ie his own)?

Fuck you with a sharp flugelhorn

 

[Pickman's model]

Nah, you had a moment of self righteous superiority and belittled the poster. It's your m.o.

other people limit themselves to moments of self-righteousness. you're always puffed up with the delusions that a) you're always right and b) everyone else gives a shit about your opinion. in fact it's the contrary on both a) & b).

 

[gosub]

He really does deserve a fuckin' good hoofing tbh.

thought he got one. favourite bit was the gentle stretch at the end after Farage left like some yawning grizzly bear.

Overrun massively my arse - Farage was on air for exactly 20 mins

 

[krtek a houby]

He asked a question i answered. Then pointed out a little irony (in the common everyday use of the term). And then you came on doing this again:

krtek: Hey you, you over there, you're a cunt, come here you cunt.
someone: Why are you calling me a cunt and trying to pick a fight.
krtek: Oh here we go, look at this cunt trying to cause trouble, he's got form for it, the cunt.
Someone: eh?
krtek: Hey you, you over there, you're a cunt, come here you cunt.
someone else: Why are you calling me a cunt and trying to pick a fight.

It's tired old and pointless.

Much like your good self. You know what you did, what you always do and still you do it.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Perhaps he didn't know who the bloke was? Not all of us are a walking encyclopedia.

Butchersapron (I'm aussming, he keeps trolling me for some reason) is on my ignore list; I wish he'd just fuck off because I'm fucking tired of his constant abuse.

 

[Awesome Wells]

thought he got one. favourite bit was the gentle stretch at the end after Farage left like some yawning grizzly bear.

Overrun massively my arse - Farage was on air for exactly 20 mins

I liked the collateral damage that Patrick O Flynn stepped into as well. That's the double!

 

[krtek a houby]

other people limit themselves to moments of self-righteousness. you're always puffed up with the delusions that a) you're always right and b) everyone else gives a shit about your opinion. in fact it's the contrary on both a) & b).

And Mini Me arrives, just in time to back up Doctor Evil. I'm not always right but here's the thing, I'm not always wrong, either. As for my opinion? It's not a popularity contest but you clearly do care about my opinion because you're always commenting on it. Without fail. Always.

krtek 1 pickman 0

 

[krtek a houby]

Butchersapron (I'm aussming, he keeps trolling me for some reason) is on my ignore list; I wish he'd just fuck off because I'm fucking tired of his constant abuse.

He's been doing it for donkey's years. Him and his Baldrick have form for it. But don't worry, you're not the only one.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

thought he got one.

Did he? Any youtube vids? Could do with a laugh.

 

[Awesome Wells]

He's been doing it for donkey's years. Him and his Baldrick have form for it. But don't worry, you're not the only one.

I don't generally ignore lists, but for some, I make an exception.

 

[Pickman's model]

And Mini Me arrives, just in time to back up Doctor Evil. I'm not always right but here's the thing, I'm not always wrong, either. As for my opinion? It's not a popularity contest but you clearly do care about my opinion because you're always commenting on it. Without fail. Always.

krtek 1 pickman 0

it's a pity you feel you need to lie and lie again in your posts

 

[gosub]

I don't generally ignore lists, but for some, I make an exception.

only trouble is, he is so prolific it fucks up the way threads scan

 

[Awesome Wells]

only trouble is, he is so prolific it fucks up the way threads scan

That's partly why i don't like ignore lists, that and i prefer to hear what people have to say, but that guy has issues clearly so it's best not to indulge his sad little psychodrama.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's partly why i don't like ignore lists, that and i prefer to hear what people have to say, but that guy has issues clearly so it's best not to indulge his sad little psychodrama.

spoken like someone who assumes everyone they dislike must be mental

 

[Awesome Wells]

spoken like someone who assumes everyone they dislike must be mental

Are you seriously going to accuse me now of taking the piss out of people with mental health issues? Grow up.

 

[Pickman's model]

Are you seriously going to accuse me now of taking the piss out of people with mental health issues? Grow up.

no, i'm going to say that you use mh issues as a cuss and that i very much doubt you've the background which allows you to identify people with mh issues here - if you did phrases like sad little psychodramamight not be found in your posts

 

[Idris2002]

 

[Awesome Wells]

no, i'm going to say that you use mh issues as a cuss and that i very much doubt you've the background which allows you to identify people with mh issues here - if you did phrases like sad little psychodramamight not be found in your posts

Given that you know fuck all about me, you are in precisely no position to make such a stupid claim. I find comments like this, casting nasty minded aspersions at people, really nasty. Go fuck yourself.

 

[butchersapron]

Surprised that some people here haven't been going crazy about (NSFW i suppose) this.

Spoiler: pic

 

[Pickman's model]

Given that you know fuck all about me, you are in precisely no position to make such a stupid claim. I find comments like this, casting nasty minded aspersions at people, really nasty. Go fuck yourself.

so you like to hand it out but don't like taking it. what a low wretch you are.

 

[brogdale]

Not sure why Goodwin/Ford assume the Left has always voted Labour.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ided-left-right-cut-labour-support?CMP=twt_gu

No, but the table of poll findings embedded within the piece was interesting.

Setting aside a couple of responses from those claiming to be tory voters, there are absolute majorities of the electorate thinking that the rigged judicial system helps corporate capital,(and their managers) exploit workers and denying them their 'fair share' of the wealth created by their labour. And that's from those voting for the parties of capital.

And folk wonder why 'old' labour voters seek to register a protest?

 

[rioted]

so you like to hand it out but don't like taking it. what a low wretch you are.

It is all about scoring points isn't it? Perhaps you and your master ought to take a bit of time out to consider whether there's just a hint of truth in the oft repeated criticism of your posting style. Instead you just go into full attack mode. That may or may not be a sympton of underlying issues of self esteem or whatever, but it certainly puts people off.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

The problem for Labour is that these voters no longer think about politics in general, or Labour in particular, in economic terms. Labour has encouraged this: New Labour played down traditional leftwing ideology in favour of social liberalism and pragmatic centrism. Now many voters with longstanding "old left" economic values associate Labour more with "new left" social liberalism: feminism, multiculturalism and support for immigration.

Ukip's rise has exposed this division on the left and made it harder to heal. Many of the "new left" voters attracted to Labour by its social liberalism cannot stomach Ukip voters' strong opposition to immigration, which they regard as an expression of ignorance and prejudice, and so refuse to engage with "old left" voters on the economic issues where the two groups share common ground.

Conversely, "old left" voters retain a strong distrust of Labour's middle-class elites, after decades of feeling ignored and marginalised as New Labour chased the middle-class swing vote, and cannot abide lectures from privileged "new left" activists about the virtues of immigration and diversity.

(source above)

That's entirely consistent with what I've heard talking to many urban/working class UKIP voters at both ends of the country.

 

[Dogsauce]

Trouble is that UKIP (like the main three parties) appears to have no intention of addressing those inequalities.

A lot of support comes from people picking them because they're 'not the others'.

 

[Lo Siento.]

No, but the table of poll findings embedded within the piece was interesting.

Setting aside a couple of responses from those claiming to be tory voters, there are absolute majorities of the electorate thinking that the rigged judicial system helps corporate capital,(and their managers) exploit workers and denying them their 'fair share' of the wealth created by their labour. And that's from those voting for the parties of capital.

And folk wonder why 'old' labour voters seek to register a protest?

Wonder how we account for that 32% gap between "Government should redistribute wealth" and "ordinary people don't get a fair share"?

Spose "redistribution" as a concept is more tainted than any these days.