What a clown you are Pickman's. Do you know nothing of history? The Roma look subcontinental because they are subcontinental. Hence the reluctance of Farage and his ilk to share a street with them.
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What a clown you are Pickman's. Do you know nothing of history? The Roma look subcontinental because they are subcontinental. Hence the reluctance of Farage and his ilk to share a street with them.
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that's ROMANIANS you thick cuntWhat a clown you are Pickman's. Do you know nothing of history? The Roma look subcontinental because they are subcontinental. Hence the reluctance of Farage and his ilk to share a street with them.
see? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...aying-ukip-is-not-a-racist-party-9396215.html ROMANIAN.
No, he's talking about the Roma specifically.
Note what he says in the very piece you cite: “The vast majority of Romanians who have come to the UK wish to better their lives and would make good neighbours."
Politicians throughout Europe use this kind of code.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
if he meant roma surely he'd have said 'the majority of Roma'
unless its all a sneaky dog whistle code to tie in general anti roma prejudice and conflate that with romanians and eastern europeans in general?
unless its all a sneaky dog whistle code to tie in general anti roma prejudice and conflate that with romanians and eastern europeans in general?
Joe Reilly
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Which one is Roddy McDowall?
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he says that because he said clearly the other day he wouldn't want a romanian as a neighbour and now he's trying to make out he didn't mean it.
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not to mention certain academics in turkey
Go to the top of the class young Sir.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep. That's exactly what he did in the radio interview discussed on the other thread. Segued from Roma into Romanians very deliberately and deftly.
J Ed
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Wow, Dan Hodges almost calling Ed Miliband a racist by proxy here http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...-a-racist-ed-miliband-wants-to-hear-from-you/
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Y'kno there's probably about a day for someone to do an autotune remix of Farage saying something a little bit racist, maybe that'll work.
If Milliband starts to "triangulate" his stated policies so as to encompass racist supporters of Farage then he will be more of a loser than some of us already thought he was.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...aying-ukip-is-not-a-racist-party-9396215.html
In that article itself the Independent manages to slip seemlessly from talking about Rumanians to Roma.
In that article itself the Independent manages to slip seemlessly from talking about Rumanians to Roma.
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youngian
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He can't help himself.
Farage and racism is like Putin and the Ukraine; he's not moving in the tanks but sends them as close to the border as he can. As well as given comfort to agitators from a distance. Dogwhistle brinkmanship?
It's cultural. As said, we all know his claims to be separate from the polticial class is spurious given that he quacks, walks, and shits like the proverbial duck.
It's cultural: he's embedded in the machine he claims to stand against and that stand is the thing driving ukip along. Consequently he's a liar.
To people like him it's just the natural order: foreigners, like the indigenous serfs, should keep their place and preferrably, in the case of wogs, stop at Calais.
So he likely doesn't see himself as racist, even though he probably is. I don't ordinarily like that kind of judgement, but the evidence is overwhelming even if anecdotal. It's as natural to discriminate, from the top of the social pile, as it is to want Britain to be self governed.
What's then happened is he's enveigled a bunch of 'hard working' business types to come on board by offering them the ability to denounce and oppose workers rights and those pesky human rights that stop them from sacking pregnant women and paying compensation for mishaps etc.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Paxman were shit on Newsnight last night. He's fucking shit every night.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Is that like one of those three-bird roasts, but with an academic in the turkey instead of a chicken and a duck?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Wow, Hodges in snidey middle-class wanker non-shocker!
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
"the media has elevated him....The Mail and The Sun have been actively formenting the discontent he's benefitted from. If an algorithm had to create a political leader based on Sun and Mail articles it would be Nigel Farage." - Musa Okwonga hits the nail on the head. No mystery at all.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Asking Berlusconi if he really called Angela Merkel an unfuckable lardarse. He's already in holiday mode it seems.
Joe Reilly
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Take comfort from that if you want, but the issue of immigration/identity politics has been the elephant in the room for twenty years. When the BNP was politically killed off it was assumed that the danger had passed.
All that's happened is that UKIP have harnessed the same discontent to more dramatic effect. 5 years ago UKIP were the 'good Nazis' the palatable alternative to the BNP.
Now Farage is getting the same treatment that Griffin got. Hope and Hate meanwhile trawl through twitter and facebook accounts to find the nugget then used to paint the party as a whole party as fascist. Exactly the same formula employed against the BNP.
Perhaps it will work again.
What if it dosen't?
What if it does?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
its not the same really, ukip has a veneer of respectability that the BNP never managed, even at the height of their star.
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Because they wear better clothes? You don't get that whole 'scruffy chav'/'fat thug' thing that made it easy for people to look down their noses at the EDL/BNP. This is respectable middle-class bigotry, right?
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i was referring to the fact that the british national party (re-)emerged from the national front, a party which never managed to shrug off its virulent hitler-worship.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I go along with quite a lot of that post, but certainly not the "elephant in the room" thing. Migration is talked about a great deal. Why do people act as if it isn't?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
did any significant number of BM end up in the BNP? cos they were a not-even-trying-to-hide-it hitler cult ennit...
Dogsauce
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I get the impression Griffin isn't really trying to be respectable any more, some of the mask has slipped and the islamophobia is laid on pretty strong now. His has his euro-money (which presumably comes with a nice golden parachute) so is probably set up on that alone, no need to bilk party members for a living.
It is. Based on the fact that his electorate is defined as those who can't be arsed to distinguish "Romanian" from "Romany".
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