Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[happie chappie]

Perhaps he's losing work to people who are less arsey than he is, then.

You might want to tell him that and then you could look forward to having a broken nose as well.

 

[Delroy Booth]

Perhaps he's losing work to people who are less arsey than he is, then.

Ah the good old race to the bottom.

 

[butchersapron]

Perhaps he's losing work to people who are less arsey than he is, then.

That'a the problem, To get people arsey together. Otherwise scum like you can take advantage.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

You might want to tell him that and then you could look forward to having a broken nose as well.

So your point was that mainstream politicians need to understand and sympathise with sociopathic thugs from Lincolnshire who get into a tizzy when they are undercut by more pleasant competitors, and leave dead cars in garages by way of protest?

 

[Pickman's model]

Ah the good old race to the bottom.

very droll

 

[treelover]

I think Silas is also a prolific poster on Guardian CIF , his/her outpourings of ''common sense Blairism'' is mighty familiar

 

[Maurice Picarda]

I think Silas is also a prolific poster on Guardian CIF , his/her outpourings of ''common sense Blairism'' is mighty familiar

Nah. It's probably the same person who copies and pastes Balbi's Doctor Who criticism, nicking my stuff.

 

[happie chappie]

So your point was that mainstream politicians need to understand and sympathise with sociopathic thugs from Lincolnshire who get into a tizzy when they are undercut by more pleasant competitors, and leave dead cars in garages by way of protest?

I assume this is some kind of joke. If it's not then you've got absolutely no idea what it's like up here.

 

[treelover]

Farrago will love this...

 

[treelover]

[QUOTES]till on immigration, Nicholas Watt reports that David Cameron is to use next week's Queen's Speech to reassure former Tory voters who jumped ship to Ukip because of concerns over immigration and welfare. Downing Street is also readying a “media blitz” to demonstrate it is taking action over policy areas which pushed support towards Ukip.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2013/may/03/local-elections-2013-live-blog

[/QUOTE]


absolutely certain now Cameron will announce end to HB for under 25's.

still not certain UKIP are as agitated about benefits as EU and immigration, politicians are going to use it though as cover.

 

[shagnasty]

Butchers is correct even the graun had items of bad press for Ukip.Was talk of tory dirty tricks ,so whats new

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I assume this is some kind of joke. If it's not then you've got absolutely no idea what it's like up here.

Or he does have some idea but thinks it's funny anyhow ...

 

[Corax]

Boston is a town at the arse end of nowhere close to where I live with few stable jobs, low wages and high levels of migration. Ditto Wisbech and, to a certain extent, Peterborough.

People in London telling the traditional white working class up here that the EU is a wonderful institution and migration brings great economic benefits just doesn’t wash I’m afraid. It’s a world away from their daily lives and experiences.

I’ve lost count of the number of people I know saying they’re fed up with the EU and high levels of migration and they simply want out, irrespective of the long-term consequences. These aren’t hard core fascists, or even racists.

They are just very pissed off with what’s happening where they live and to be honest I can’t blame them.

Don’t dismiss the concerns of the people who vote for them. If you lived out here you’d realise some of them are legitimate.

Some of what you're referring to (2nd para particularly) is to do with mythology though. I live in the South and my high street has a dozen Polish shops. Lots of local 'indigenous' people get upset that their signs are in Polish as well as English. There was a particular furore when one put a sign in its window stating "Sorry, No English". As anyone with an ounce would expect, it was an attempt to say that they didn't speak English, but I'm sure you can imagine what the local UKIP types decided it meant...

Crap standard of education round here, thirty different languages in a primary school class, the jobs available are 99% in the realm of minimum wage, and in most respects the city is a fucking dive, set up purely to serve a very small number of yacht-owning wankers that live in the New Forest.

I've spent some time in Cornwall and Devon, Plymouth particularly. The situation was if anything worse down there.

Kent has some fucking shitholes too.

And many of the places I lived in London were grim as fuck.

Alongside austerity and the rise of nationalism, a cartoonish and simplistic concept of the North/South divide seems to be gaining ever more traction. But the idea that anywhere South of the Grimbsy-Gloucester line is paved with gold is divisive nonsense.

And that's my concern. It's really really fucking divisive. I know I'd be pissed off if I lived in Barnsley and I thought everyone down South was living in places like Romsey. I don't know if it's being done deliberately tbh, but it certainly suits certain political groups to see it ramped up, especially if they can pin it on immigration.

 

[happie chappie]

Or he does have some idea but thinks it's funny anyhow ...

My sides are splitting every time I hear my mate's been struggling to pay his mortgage. His misses has had to take on two cleaning jobs (one in the morning and another in the evening) as well as her full-time job. Must be a bundle of laughs.

 

[thedockerslad]

But.....they do have the potential to achieve a real kick in the teeth for tory chances of a majority or even minority government.

This is quite a good overview...



Dunleavy attributes UKIP's rise, in part, to Thatcher's divisivness and the competing tory puppet masters of globalised industrial capital and global finance, and therefore concludes..

The point you are missing is that electoral politics is a waste of time and energy and has nothing to offer the working class.

 

[Wilson]

Perhaps he's losing work to people who are less arsey than he is, then.

You neo liberal scumbag

 

[brogdale]

The point you are missing is that electoral politics is a waste of time and energy and has nothing to offer the working class.

I think you're right; I may well have missed that point.

Largely because it is different and distinct from the one we were discussing.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

You neo liberal scumbag

You neo liberal scumbag scab

Are you going to add a word every couple of minutes, then? How about "lickspittle" next?

 

[happie chappie]

Some of what you're referring to (2nd para particularly) is to do with mythology though. I live in the South and my high street has a dozen Polish shops. Lots of local 'indigenous' people get upset that their signs are in Polish as well as English. There was a particular furore when one put a sign in its window stating "Sorry, No English". As anyone with an ounce would expect, it was an attempt to say that they didn't speak English, but I'm sure you can imagine what the local UKIP types decided it meant...

It's a fair point but it's not just about the number of Polish shops there are on the high street. That's almost a side issue. In fact, I don't think I've heard anyone specifically mention it around this neck of the woods. At least it doesn't seem to be a primary concern.

It's more about the lack of employment - especially for unskilled workers.

There's fuck all here, and more and more people competing for fuck all.

 

[thedockerslad]

I think you're right; I may well have missed that point.

Largely because it is different and distinct from the one we were discussing.

We weren't discussing anything you were trying to tell me that electoral politics matters. It doesn't.

 

[Wilson]

Are you going to add a word every couple of minutes, then? How about "lickspittle" next?

No you're right, you couldn't be a scab.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

No you're right, you couldn't be a scab.

Parasite?

 

[brogdale]

We weren't discussing anything you were trying to tell me that electoral politics matters. It doesn't.

We weren't discussing anything you were trying to tell me that electoral politics matters. It doesn't.

If that's how you see it. I thought you were discussing electoral politics and I was questionning your view that "...UKIP won't achieve anything in the real elections,..."

But hey ho, it's probably time for another drink, not a pointless 'barney'

 

[Corax]

It's a fair point but it's not just about the number of Polish shops there are on the high street. That's almost a side issue. In fact, I don't think I've heard anyone specifically mention it around this neck of the woods. At least it doesn't seem to be a primary concern.

It's more about the lack of employment - especially for unskilled workers.

There's fuck all here, and more and more people competing for fuck all.

The shops thing was just an illustration of the environment HC, painting a picture that isn't Chipping Norton. The issues that worry people (such as blue-collar jobs) are exactly the same, and also get blamed on immigration down South.

 

[Wilson]

Parasite?

vector

 

[happie chappie]

The shops thing was just an illustration of the environment HC, painting a picture that isn't Chipping Norton. The issues that worry people (such as blue-collar jobs) are exactly the same, and also get blamed on immigration down South.

It doesn’t seem to be the usual mantra of “they’re all coming over here to claim benefits” or even they’re all “lazy and don’t want to work”.

In fact, nearly everyone I’ve spoken say something along the lines of “the Poles are real grafters”.

It’s more of “there’s not enough work to go round so why are we letting more people come here”.

Some locals are undoubtedly angry and a few downright racists, but many just have that air of sullen resignation as if worn down by a daily struggle to survive.

It’s just so fucking hard to be right at the bottom of the pile.

 

[Corax]

It doesn’t seem to be the usual mantra of “they’re all coming over here to claim benefits” or even they’re all “lazy and don’t want to work”.

In fact, nearly everyone I’ve spoken say something along the lines of “the Poles are real grafters”.

Try asking them the same question about non-white immigrants.

 

[happie chappie]

Try asking them the same question about non-white immigrants.

It's not really so much of an issue as there's been relatively few non-white immigrants coming to this neck of the woods in recent years and those that are here are pretty well-established.

In any case, they tend not to be competing for low-wage agricultural jobs which is one of the mainstays of the local economy.

Indeed, the BNP have made little real headway and they're the main anti non-white immigrant party.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Some of the residents of Boston, Lincs were interviewed on Radio 4 this morning. Some of their reasons for voting UKIP were that there were too many foreigners living there now, that you couldn't understand what they were saying, that they were intimidating, that they got everything given to them on a plate, and that crime levels had gone up.

 

[Lo Siento.]

Are employers flouting minimum wage legislation, or is he simply less skilled than he thinks?

What's your definition of skilled?
Should he be grateful to make minimum wage?