Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[Spanky Longhorn]

I think Cybil would remain a Tory or possibly a Lib Dem. Basil would certainly be sympathetic but likes busy EU workers to order around. Whereas the Major, he is UKIP.

nah the major is one of Jimmy's fighters

 

[DotCommunist]

I found that ukip woman doing her defense well uncomfortable. Thats a middle aged woman, my mums age. I'm pre-disposed through my upbringing to grant them some respect, even if they are annoying. But then the Father Ted style 'Not a Racist' justifictions come out and I'm actually right fucked off. More fucked off than I would be if it was from someone my own age who I could challenge. WTF do I have to say to a woman like that though, where can I get through. She'd just dismiss me as a boy. Its uncomfortable to see the..veneer.

 

[youngian]

I found that ukip woman doing her defense well uncomfortable. Thats a middle aged woman, my mums age. I'm pre-disposed through my upbringing to grant them some respect, even if they are annoying.

Cut them some slack because they're from a different generation is a regular Ukip defence despite most of them being 30 years younger then Tony Benn. Roger Helmer I think is younger than David Bowie but they do all look like they've just step out of an Ealing comedy.

But according to rising UKIP intellectual thinker Steven Woolfe

Ukip members like to see themselves as “insurgents”, and Woolfe compares the party not only to the New Model Army, but also to the Levellers, the Diggers, the Chartists and even the Suffragettes.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/new...bishops-after-report-on-belligerent-politics/

 

[bemused]

None of this seems to have dented their polling, are protest votes bullet proof?

 

[SpackleFrog]

None of this seems to have dented their polling, are protest votes bullet proof?

YouGov and Populous have UKIP down on last week, Ashcroft has them significantly down at 11%.

 

[bemused]

YouGov and Populous have UKIP down on last week, Ashcroft has them significantly down at 11%.

I need to stop following the BBC trackers.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I wonder if the recent press attention is making a difference in the minds of softer supporters? And where will the votes of those who were going to vote for UKIP go, if people are changing their minds?

Could just be anomalies in the polls, of course.

 

[gosub]

Already put a marker down, pointing out they were falling in the polls before the two broadcasts

 

[redsquirrel]

From the commentariat thread but I think it's worth posting here. (credit to froggie and BA).

 

[J Ed]

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/02/26/ukips-lgbt-chair-quits-i-couldnt-defend-the-party-any-more/

The Chair of UKIP’s official LGBT group has quit his role and resigned his party membership.
Tom Booker, who has led the group for three years, announced that he would step away from the party after a string of anti-gay comments from UKIP politicians.

He tweeted: “Last night I stepped down as Chairman of LGBT* in UKIP and gave up my membership of #ukip. I’ll remain unaffiliated…for now ;-)
“I found that I couldn’t defend the party or convincingly campaign for it any more. It became increasingly difficult for me to argue for a non-Classical Liberal manifesto.”

Second person to step down from this position iirc.

 

[8115]

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/02/26/ukips-lgbt-chair-quits-i-couldnt-defend-the-party-any-more/



Second person to step down from this position iirc.

To be fair, it's probably not the most widely supported post in the party.

 

[weepiper]

I wonder how David Coburn's going to spin this one

 

[DotCommunist]

they've made it look like spocks a bastard, juxtaposing him with that headline

 

[laptop]

they've made it look like spocks a bastard, juxtaposing him with that headline

UKIP? Illogical!

 

[Dogsauce]

articles like this don't exactly help dismantle those UKIP tropes.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/the-17-most-wa..._most_wanted_foreigners_living_in_london/2277

Think this comes from a Met press release . Fuck sake.

 

[gosub]

articles like this don't exactly help dismantle those UKIP tropes.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/the-17-most-wa..._most_wanted_foreigners_living_in_london/2277

Think this comes from a Met press release . Fuck sake.

Er no, what would help UKIP is the notion of trying to sweep rapists, people traffickers, murderers under the carpet because some people think it would be politically expedient to. Would be Rotherham all over again.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

Erm...

UKIP has been dealt a blow ahead of the general election in Barrow after its candidate announced he has had to step down.

Noel Matthews was selected as the party's candidate for Barrow and Furness.

However, he has confirmed today that he will not be able to stand.

Mr Matthews works for Ukip as an assistant to three Members of the European Parliament.

He said the EU has informed him that he must quit the job for the entire election period in order to avoid "a conflict of interests" - something he cannot afford to do.

What does he propose to do if his party wins?

 

[andysays]

Erm...

What does he propose to do if his party wins?

So EU regs mean there's a conflict of interest in an assistant to an MEP standing for election as an MP, but not in an actual MEP standing for election as an MP...

 

[gosub]

So EU regs mean there's a conflict of interest in an assistant to an MEP standing for election as an MP, but not in an actual MEP standing for election as an MP...

http://www.europarl.org.uk/en/about_us/faqs.html#TOP
7. Can an MEP also serve as an MP?
No, European Council decision of 2002 states that "the office of MEP is incompatible with that of member of a national parliament". An MEP who is elected as an MP, or appointed a Peer, therefore has to stand down from the European Parliament.


Farage would have to take a salary cut.

 

[andysays]

http://www.europarl.org.uk/en/about_us/faqs.html#TOP
7. Can an MEP also serve as an MP?
No, European Council decision of 2002 states that "the office of MEP is incompatible with that of member of a national parliament". An MEP who is elected as an MP, or appointed a Peer, therefore has to stand down from the European Parliament.

Farage would have to take a salary cut.

OK, I was unaware of that, so thanks for the info. It was possible in the past to be both an MP and an MEP - Ian Paisley is the example that springs to mind.

So have Farage and whoever the other UKIP MEPs are (assuming they're standing as MPs) also had to stand down as MEPs for the duration of the entire General Election period?

 

[gosub]

OK, I was unaware of that, so thanks for the info. It was possible in the past to be both an MP and an MEP - Ian Paisley is the example that springs to mind.

So have Farage and whoever the other UKIP MEPs are (assuming they're standing as MPs) also had to stand down as MEPs for the duration of the entire General Election period?

rules changed in 2002. fully enforced by 2009. don't have to stand down unless they win

 

[andysays]

rules changed in 2002. fully enforced by 2009. don't have to stand down unless they win

So it is the case that assistants to MEPs have to first stand down in order to stand as MPs, but actual MEPs don't.

 

[hot air baboon]

I wonder how David Coburn's going to spin this one

...having heard Mr Coburn's performance on Any Questions last week I doubt he could spin a child's top in a centrifuge...

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

So it is the case that assistants to MEPs have to first stand down in order to stand as MPs, but actual MEPs don't.

Instead of typing out the same question a couple of times you could just do what everyone else does, consult Wikipedia and cut n paste the anaswers here as your own original research.

 

[Nylock]

...having heard Mr Coburn's performance on Any Questions last week I doubt he could spin a child's top in a centrifuge...

was he the shouty knobhead that fully pandered to the kipper stereotype? He did get a load of digs in against the libdem on the panel which was funny at first but what was funnier was that at one point an answer of his turned into a conference-esque tirade that ended (for him) on a high note of applause expectancy only to be greeted with silence from the audience

 

[brogdale]

Not so much "Why" as "Where", but Goodwin's piece in the Tele offers this useful map...

Ukip already has four seats “in the bag” at the general election, one of Britain’s leading election forecasters has said and should win at least two more.

Matthew Goodwin, an associate professor of politics at Nottingham University, also said that Ukip will “indirectly damage” the Tories in 69 seats at the election, and Labour in 59 constituencies.

Prof Goodwin said Ukip would be second in 60 seats in the north of England, putting the party well placed for a major breakthrough at the 2020 general election.

Basing his forecasts on visits to Ukip's target seats, he said: “My view is that Ukip is likely to win six Parliamentary constituencies. They have pretty much got three or four seats now in the bag unless there is a monumental mistake and a car crash before May 7.”

 

[andysays]

Instead of typing out the same question a couple of times...

The first time it was a rhetorical question, and the second time (the one you actually quoted) wasn't a question at all, it was a statement, a conclusion based on information provided by the two posters I was responding to.

...you could just do what everyone else does, consult Wikipedia and cut n paste the anaswers here as your own original research.

Please don't assume that everyone else's contributions are the same low standards as yours

 

[Dogsauce]

Not so much "Why" as "Where", but Goodwin's piece in the Tele offers this useful map...

Looking at that map, it appears people living on the coast are the most fearful of outsiders. I suppose they'd be the first casualties of the incoming 'tidal wave' of immigrants, terrified of the Romanian hordes in their amphibious landing craft.

 

[laptop]

Looking at that map, it appears people living on the coast are the most fearful of outsiders. I suppose they'd be the first casualties of the incoming 'tidal wave' of immigrants, terrified of the Romanian hordes in their amphibious landing craft.

...and, apparently, coming up the Valleys in their little coracles...

 

[2hats]

ONS: percentage of population over 65...