Ukip - why are they gaining support?
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SpackleFrog
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Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
This is a phenomena known as a 'difference of opinion' and does not require you to be rude.
You simply think this is big. I don't believe it is that big. We would probably have the same disagreement were we both viewing your minuscule penis.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Some of this sneering 'anti fascist' liberal bollocks where people are constantly taking the piss out of Ukip voters for their spelling, intelligence, accent and even saying racist, elitist shit like the comments about Europe and some of the stuff I saw on fb about the black ukip candidate, reminds me of Bush and Blair during the Iraq war, where they justified the war was it was to 'spread freedom' and anyone who disagrereed obviously did not like freedom and democracy and supported Saddam.
I remember ages ago on some political discussion group I was on a girl from Serbia but living in the US posted that her teacher had told her in front of the class that everyone in the country was a murderer, to me it is the same sort of mentality, using the idea of liberalism and other values that sound good to mask the most horrible class hatred and even sexism and racism. I'm not saying everyone who is criticizing ukip is doing this, shit I mean that I have slagged them off enough on here but I know I am not alone in finding it all very objectionable because it seems to be a 'politically correct' way of displaying their prejudices.
I remember ages ago on some political discussion group I was on a girl from Serbia but living in the US posted that her teacher had told her in front of the class that everyone in the country was a murderer, to me it is the same sort of mentality, using the idea of liberalism and other values that sound good to mask the most horrible class hatred and even sexism and racism. I'm not saying everyone who is criticizing ukip is doing this, shit I mean that I have slagged them off enough on here but I know I am not alone in finding it all very objectionable because it seems to be a 'politically correct' way of displaying their prejudices.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes. Sneering at illiteracy when there's actually some very ugly ideas there that need challenging...
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
So what are you? A right-nationalist Muppet?
Fuck off and die you left-liberal Muppet.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-despite-being-on-electoral-roll-9427571.html
Was this all ukip's doing?
Was this all ukip's doing?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Swathes of European citizens living in Britain were turned away from the ballot box in the European elections on Thursday despite registering as voters and having polling cards.
The Independent has seen evidence of more than 60 EU nationals on the electoral roll being denied the chance to vote in the European elections. The overall number affected is likely to be significantly higher.
The lost votes could be particularly significant in a year when Ukip is expected to make significant gains as non-British voters are less likely to support immigration-sceptical candidates.
Many EU nationals had made sure they were on the electoral roll but were unaware of an extra piece of paperwork needed in order to cast their votes in Britain. The form, known as a UC1 appears not to have been advertised or sent out in many cases.
Others had all the relevant registration documents but were still told by election officials to “go and vote in their own country”.
The Electoral Commission acknowledged last night that many EU citizens were unaware of the extra form needed to cast their vote in Britain. They also admitted that they had received complaints from non-British EU voters saying it was never sent to them.
Did ukip do this?
The Independent has seen evidence of more than 60 EU nationals on the electoral roll being denied the chance to vote in the European elections. The overall number affected is likely to be significantly higher.
The lost votes could be particularly significant in a year when Ukip is expected to make significant gains as non-British voters are less likely to support immigration-sceptical candidates.
Many EU nationals had made sure they were on the electoral roll but were unaware of an extra piece of paperwork needed in order to cast their votes in Britain. The form, known as a UC1 appears not to have been advertised or sent out in many cases.
Others had all the relevant registration documents but were still told by election officials to “go and vote in their own country”.
The Electoral Commission acknowledged last night that many EU citizens were unaware of the extra form needed to cast their vote in Britain. They also admitted that they had received complaints from non-British EU voters saying it was never sent to them.
Did ukip do this?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
There is also a lot of confusion (I don't mean by you) between criticising UKIP and criticising UKIP voters. I think the Tories are despicable shits, but I don't think everyone who votes Tory is a despicable shit.
A few times on here recently, people have been pulled up when criticising UKIP as if they were criticising all people who vote UKIP.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Depends what they were criticizing them for doesn't it?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
No, not really. Criticism of UKIP, whether it is for being bigots or whatever, is not the same as criticising everyone who votes UKIP.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
What were they criticizing them for? Shit spelling etc?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
No. Stirring up anti-immigrant feeling, conflating Roma with Romanians, blaming all variety of social problems on immigrants. That sort of thing.
Targetting and demonising Romanians, in particular, was nasty shit that deserved to be roundly bloody condemned.
tbh I see those who hold back from such condemnation for fear of offending UKIP voters as the 'liberals' here.
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SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
What do you think, part timer?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Oh I barely care.
SpineyNorman
Inappropriate content removed
lib dem I reckon
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/visa-regulations-revised-table
Have a look at this.
My mate has been in the UK for years but can't vote despite passing the citizenship test because it costs so much money to become a UK citizen. I have another mate who almost had to go back to the USA because the company who was meant to be applying for her visa didn't do it.
The immigration system here is a fucking disgrace, all about letting 'the right' people in the country (ie people who have a spare 900 quid lying around) as far as I know ukip didn't bring it in though.
Have a look at this.
My mate has been in the UK for years but can't vote despite passing the citizenship test because it costs so much money to become a UK citizen. I have another mate who almost had to go back to the USA because the company who was meant to be applying for her visa didn't do it.
The immigration system here is a fucking disgrace, all about letting 'the right' people in the country (ie people who have a spare 900 quid lying around) as far as I know ukip didn't bring it in though.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It is a disgrace, yes. UKIP won't have brought it up for good reason - Farage only wants to allow people with money in. Rich Indians, and rather randomly, it appears, New Zealanders.
Unfortunately, if UKIP do gain more traction, I can see the system becoming worse as a reaction to that.
A reversal of the old US dictum 'send us your poor'. Instead it is 'send us your rich'. Why the rich would want to come to a Britain that was isolationist is rather a sticky question.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
To repeat: 'anti-racism' is a licence to hate the poor.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes. Labour and tory created the system we have now.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Anti-racism is also like being against racism. Don't throw the baby out here.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The state of the labour party is profoundly depressing. For the voting system to be meaningfully democratic, there needs to be a 'cock and balls' option. A none-of-the-above box where, if none of the above gets most of the votes, then that is exactly what you get.
Manter
Lunch Mob
How very.... Belgian
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yeah, well, nobody seemed to notice much... A very good illustration of what government is not, in fact. It is not something without which society necessarily disintegrates.How very.... Belgian
Manter
Lunch Mob
My Belgian friends assure me they have a government, just not a Government. They seem perfectly happy either way....
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Well if cock-and-balls wins, you can have another election organised, one with none of the previously above on the ballot.
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