Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[littlebabyjesus]

Typing someone’s name into twitter and seeing what comes up is hardly investigative journalism bordering on stalking. It takes seconds.

And then what would be the appropriate response? Contact the person in question and let them know that this is still there (they may well have forgotten about it, after all)? Maybe try to have a word with them about it and what it contains? Or take it to the wider world and use it to try to discredit them? The latter is a cunt's trick, imo.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

And then what would be the appropriate response? Contact the person in question and let them know that this is still there (they may well have forgotten about it, after all)? Maybe try to have a word with them about it and what it contains? Or take it to the wider world and use it to try to discredit them? The latter is a cunt's trick, imo.

I agree it’s unseemly. Just ‘dig up’ makes it sound like they went to great lengths.

 

[TopCat]

And then what would be the appropriate response? Contact the person in question and let them know that this is still there (they may well have forgotten about it, after all)? Maybe try to have a word with them about it and what it contains? Or take it to the wider world and use it to try to discredit them? The latter is a cunt's trick, imo.

What, like Hillsborough and that UKIP wanker?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Im not sure where you're going with that reply, SpookyFrank. People used to think some stuff (e.g. flat earth) was real ... then people found out said stuff (e.g. flat earth) wasn't real?
Others have the right to define your reality because the world isn't "your" reality. It's everyone's reality. It's our reality too

Probably why I said 'reality is what we decide it is' and not 'reality is what I decide it is'.

 

[SpookyFrank]

A denial isn't really good enough for me tbh. It's plausible that it was her brother, it's also plausible that it was her. I'd like a definite answer, I suspect I'm not the only one.

Just because you read about something on the internet and it made you mad, that doesn't necessarily mean you're entitled to know everything about it. Particularly when 'everything' is likely to involve personal information about children.

 

[baldrick]

Yep, what this piece of juvenile twattery really needs is a full on internet investigation.



Sadly, you probably aren't.

I'm not talking about an internet investigation. Presumably she has evidence it was her brother and not her. It should be pretty easy to show this to someone in the Labour Party and for them to corroborate it. Job done. Or are we not holding her to the same standard we might other people?

 

[baldrick]

Just because you read about something on the internet and it made you mad, that doesn't necessarily mean you're entitled to know everything about it. Particularly when 'everything' is likely to involve personal information about children.

Where did I say I wanted to know everything about it?

 

[baldrick]

An internet thing that nobody had ever seen other than her and her brother until somebody dug it up, done, even if it was her, when she was 14. I'd want the fucker who went digging for it and then publicised it to be investigated, personally.

Why?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Where did I say I wanted to know everything about it?

In the post I quoted.

 

[baldrick]

Fair. But it needs to be investigated, properly.

A denial isn't really good enough for me tbh. It's plausible that it was her brother, it's also plausible that it was her. I'd like a definite answer, I suspect I'm not the only one.

Where did I say I wanted to know everything about it?

In the post I quoted.

I cannot believe I am reduced to quoting myself.

Where do I say I'm entitled to know everything about it?

 

[Treacle Toes]

I'm not talking about an internet investigation. Presumably she has evidence it was her brother and not her. It should be pretty easy to show this to someone in the Labour Party and for them to corroborate it. Job done. Or are we not holding her to the same standard we might other people?

How easy do you think it would be to prove her brother did it?

Can you prove things that happened when you were 14 years old?

If her brother piped up and said yeah it was me, would you/others actually believe him?

Should we be investigating the teenage interests/humour and behaviour of other Labour party representatives or just this one?

Who else is being scrutinised in this way about something they may or may not have done at aged 14? Or are we not holding other people to the same standard that we are demanding from her?

 

[Treacle Toes]

I cannot believe I am reduced to quoting myself.

Where do I say I'm entitled to know everything about it?

But it needs to be investigated, properly.

I'd like a definite answer,

Right there tbf.

 

[baldrick]

If she doesn't have evidence how does she know it was her brother?

I don't know if I'd believe her brother coming forward or not. As far as I'm aware he hasn't, so that's a moot point really.

No, because I'm now 36 and thus 14 was a really long time ago. If you asked me this when I was 19, then maybe.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Is there a little tag team here or something?

 

[Nigel Irritable]

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-12-california-adolescents-gender-nonconforming.html

As I said in my first post in this thread: "anyone who claims to be for gender abolition who responds to an explosion of younger people refusing to accept their assigned gender and announcing instead that they are trans men or trans women or non binary or one of three dozen newly invented genders by denouncing those people as a terrifying threat is stupid, dishonest or self-deceiving about their own political goals"

The TERFs are the feminist equivalent of the kind of Maoist sect who responded to the first stirrings of May 68 by denouncing the students as a danger to the worker's movement. If they were actually serious about destroying gender as an imposed system of oppression, instead of being primarily devoted to preserving some dying political subcultures in aspic, they'd be jumping up and down with excitement, not snarling at teenagers to get back in their fucking boxes.

 

[Jezebelle]

If she doesn't have evidence how does she know it was her brother?

I don't know if I'd believe her brother coming forward or not. As far as I'm aware he hasn't, so that's a moot point really.

No, because I'm now 36 and thus 14 was a really long time ago. If you asked me this when I was 19, then maybe.

Brother Connor Madigan tweeted, ‘Imagine publishing lies about your own brother to maintain a public image’. Think it’s since been deleted but probably screen shot of it somewhere.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Brother Connor Madigan tweeted, ‘Imagine publishing lies about your own brother to maintain a public image’. Think it’s since been deleted but probably screen shot of it somewhere.

Welcome back from 2015. Pity you didn't find this evidence whilst making the claim. You are leaving us all with a dilemma now... Well done!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Brother Connor Madigan tweeted, ‘Imagine publishing lies about your own brother to maintain a public image’. Think it’s since been deleted but probably screen shot of it somewhere.

Had a look at his twitter feed. Mostly football. But it includes this

Furthermore, imagine creeping on people’s family social media accounts looking for bites. It’s so creepy, maybe I can recommend sports instead. Enjoy the plastic bait

He's right. It is creepy.

That one is up there.

 

[Jezebelle]

Who’s the one being creepy? Someone posted the one tweet I mentioned somewhere recently. I didn’t go searching for the brother’s twitter account like you.

 

[smokedout]

Who’s the one being creepy? Someone posted the one tweet I mentioned somewhere recently. I didn’t go searching for the brother’s twitter account like you.

Presumably it was a reference to Lily being harangued over a picture taken of her when she was a child and a juvenile joke that someone, we don't know who, made.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Who’s the one being creepy? Someone posted the one tweet I mentioned somewhere recently. I didn’t go searching for the brother’s twitter account like you.

I copied and pasted his name and the quote you gave on here into google. You gave his name, remember. And you gave the quote. No trace of the quote, but top hit was his twitter account.

Without anything to support it, why should we believe a word you're saying here? All we can know about him is that he really likes football and that he was pissed off at some point by someone interfering with his football feed with other bollocks that almost certainty was related to his sister. Without more, I call bullshit. Having seen his feed, what you say doesn't fit.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Here's the original screen shot. Quick Google.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I really know very very little about twitter, but from what I've seen of feeds, they exist in context. There isn't a context here. Maybe the context would just confirm that it is as it appears, I don't know.

I'm out of this particular bit of the discussion. Someone saw fit to screenshot that in case he deleted it. That in and of itself is disturbing to me. I'm going to let these kids be.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

This is all getting a bit creepy now tbf.

 

[smokedout]

It's horrible, as is the abuse Lily has been subjected to.

Despite my position I'm sceptical of identity politics and hadn't followed this closely. I assumed the general noise which said Lily was some hardcore intersectionalist handed a job by the Labour Party out of some kind of political correctness gone mad who'd bullied a woman out of her position and made rape jokes on twitter. And as with every other trans scare story that has been posted here and elsewhere, the truth turns out to be far more nuanced. Search Lily's name on twitter and you will see the abuse she is receiving is relentless, and that she has begged people to stop only to have it thrown in her face. She's 19 for fucks sake, and the things she's being attacked for happened when she was a child. And she was elected, quite legally and within party rules to a fairly minor position. At least attack the system that got her there if you don't like it, or attack Lily for her politics, but not just because she's trans or might have tweeted something stupid when she was a kid. I can see why Venice Allan warned off her troops because she thought she might be a suicide risk. And yet even then she couldnt resist referring to her as a dickhead.

But it sadly seems to some people that anything is now legitimate when it comes to attacking transpeople, and to even criticise that is silencing the concerns of real women.

 

[weepiper]

It's horrible, as is the abuse Lily has been subjected to.

Despite my position I'm sceptical of identity politics and hadn't followed this closely. I assumed the general noise which said Lily was some hardcore intersectionalist handed a job by the Labour Party out of some kind of political correctness gone mad who'd bullied a woman out of her position and made rape jokes on twitter. And as with every other trans scare story that has been posted here and elsewhere, the truth turns out to be far more nuanced. Search Lily's name on twitter and you will see the abuse she is receiving is relentless, and that she has begged people to stop only to have it thrown in her face. She's 19 for fucks sake, and the things she's being attacked for happened when she was a child. And she was elected, quite legally and within party rules to a fairly minor position. At least attack the system that got her there if you don't like it, or attack Lily for her politics, but not just because she's trans or might have tweeted something stupid when she was a kid. I can see why Venice Allan warned off her troops because she thought she might be a suicide risk. And yet even then she couldnt resist referring to her as a dickhead.

But it sadly seems to some people that anything is now legitimate when it comes to attacking transpeople, and to even criticise that is silencing the concerns of real women.

That's funny. You seem to have changed your views rather.

oh but we musn't criticise her for her politics, she's only half-formed, naive, but a child, fuck off, what patronising shit - she should be judged by her words and her actions like every other fucking labour party careerist

How is Lily Madigan different?

 

[trashpony]

I look forward to seeing Madigan run in the Gillingham Race for Life next May given the grief he* gave them a couple of years ago

*Was a he at the time he tweeted his complaint

 

[smokedout]

That's funny. You seem to have changed your views rather.


How is Lily Madigan different?

Jack was 25, wasn't being attacked for her identity and wasn't being attacked for something she may have done as a child. In fact she wasn't being attacked at all in the way Lily has.

Nice try though, I can see what you are trying to do.

 

[weepiper]

Jack was 25, wasn't being attacked for her identity and wasn't being attacked for something she may have done as a child. In fact she wasn't being attacked at all in the way Lily has.

Nice try though, I can see what you are trying to do.

24, and she was getting all sorts of shit. So was Laurie Penny, at the same kind of age, and I don't recall you defending her on those grounds, in fact you went to some fairly obsessive lengths to say they were both liars.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

How is Lily Madigan different?

I came to this forum when I was a 19 year old girl. The amount of shit I got (sometimes quite rightly) for my politics was unreal. And I was just spouting mainstream stuff. When I complained here about bullying I was laughed at by the bigwigs (not the mod team, just the big boreish posters) on here and told to shut up. "That's just the way urban is". Very much like smokedouts original standpoint. I was 19 remember? But "So what? Why should ill informed shitty views get a pass"?

You all were right tho. I didn't deserve special passes.

Someone here (can't remember who) has a list of stupid shit people has said. I still get called up for saying how I was going to vote on here from like 8 or 9 years ago! If that's not creepy then why is gooling screenshots of a political figure holding a Labour party office from less than a month back?

Fucking hypocritical. If you ask me.