Autism isn't being compared to anti-social personality disorder.
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Autism isn't being compared to anti-social personality disorder.
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Currently there is a greater recognition of ASD in girls and women. It is reported that many women prior to receiving their late ASD diagnosis received diagnoses of bpd. It is though that this was often a mis-diagnosis, that their ASD was missed due to screening tools and diagnostic criteria being skewed towards male presentation.
There is a lot of controversy about the usefulness of the category of personality disorder. Some people would argue it could be better thought of as complex ptsd. Trauma effects neurology and brain development.
Currently there is a greater recognition of ASD in girls and women. It is reported that many women prior to receiving their late ASD diagnosis received diagnoses of bpd. It is though that this was often a mis-diagnosis, that their ASD was missed due to screening tools and diagnostic criteria being skewed towards male presentation.
There is a lot of controversy about the usefulness of the category of personality disorder. Some people would argue it could be better thought of as complex ptsd. Trauma effects neurology and brain development.
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mojo pixy
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Not compared then, conflated. It shouldn't even be mentioned in the same context tbh.
It was only you that mentioned anti-social personality disorder.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that. I also received treatment for BPD (which was to be honest completely inappropriate and quite stressful for me) before getting my ASD diagnosis (and then no longer requiring any further MH treatment as I finally understood what was going on). I think the point was how the psychiatric/psychological profession interpret different behaviours through the prisms of gender expectations - and it's them who seem to see one where they should be considering the other, imo. In that regard they do have something in common.
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mojo pixy
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They have nothing in common. Just because doctors make mistakes doesn't mean mistaken conditions have anything in common. You can mistake having a cold with having flu, that doesn't mean they're the same or even similar.
This is all off-topic, mind. None of this has anything to do with transgender, except that people have conditions.
Shechemite
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Their symptomology is similar. Hence the mistakes. The point being that diagnosis isn’t just based on detached observation, but socially driven attentiveness to this or that symptoms amongst people based on class, gender etc; and socially assumptions about what this or that ‘symptom’ means for an individual, based on their gender, class etc
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Exactly. I suspect an additional complication in terms of classification errors and bias stems from classic autism being seen as a developmental disorder. But when the full spectrum is considered, these neat edges become a lot less clear.
I often get depressed at how unevenly the progress in terms of fighting stigma, taboo and negative connotations is unfolding. eg quite a lot of progress with bipolar disorder and autism spectrum. Not much with borderline personality disorder. And there are such a range of schizophrenia-type conditions that a spectrum clearly exists in that regard too, but unlike the autism spectrum we don't tend to hear from people on the mild end of that spectrum (eg mild schizotypal personality disorder) finding positivity in being placed there. Now obviously there are a good many reasons for this, ranging from the affects of symptoms on self and on other people to entirely artificial negative stuff caused by the labels and classification systems used.
And diagnosis is based on classifications of observable behaviours also created in particular social and political contexts.
A bit like gender.
No, it's autism I mean.
I'm well aware of what autism is (I'm autistic myself - e2a also previously diagnosed as borderline) and I didn't say it was a type of personality disorder.
Shechemite
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The classifications or the behaviours are created in particular contexts?
mojo pixy
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So you mean that "extreme female brain" is a psychological disorder, but "extreme male brain" is a neurological disorder?
Good point.
I was talking about classification, it has a history, there was a time and place in which they were created, and classifications change, are added to, or are simplified.
But yeh, people do behave differently in different contexts because of different states of mind, because of the meaning one makes of an experience, because of power, overt and more subtle relational dynamics, the context of their own histories etc.
I'm wary of descriptions that have a static feel to them.
And when descriptions get conflated with explanation.
What was reported was a conversation. Nobody said anything about agreeing with either the extreme male or extreme female brain theory.
mojo pixy
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Also, and I'm sorry but it needs to be said, having a condition doesn't always confer special insight into the condition itself. I know dozens of autistic people and most of them have little or no idea what autism is, some don't even acknowledge it's a thing. For at least one, even thinking about it brings on extreme anxiety.
It's not my theory. As I've already said, I think it's bollocks.
Shechemite
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Not sure how that’s relevant to this conversation.
But, why would ‘not acknowledging Autism is a thing’ denote a lack of insight.
Psychiatric diagnoses aren’t (except perhaps in rare instances) objective ‘things’. They are concepts.
mojo pixy
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So how did this conversation make it onto a public message board? Because it was wrong?
Work it out for yourself. Read the posts that led to the post in question. Think before reacting.
mojo pixy
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1. Autism is not a psychiatric issue.
2. Not acknowledging something exists when it clearly does is definitely a lack of insight.
This is all quite stressful for me so again I'm going to have to leave it. I'm sorry if my posts are bothering anyone. I advocate for severely autistic people as part of my job and I encounter misconceptions on a regular basis. Dealing with it here is uncomfortable and I'm going to have to leave it. It's off topic anyway, apologies.
mojo pixy
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I read them. I responded to them.
Shechemite
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You advocate for people whose differences of opinion you regard as ‘lacking insight’?
I don’t think your posts are bothering anyone, merely being challenged.
Fair enough if it’s getting you stressed though.
mojo pixy
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Not difference of opinion, flat denial. That's not a problem anyway, if someone who's autistic wants to deny they are it's not up to me to force the issue. Helping them negotiate everyday stuff is my role, helping people understand why they're speaking and acting as they are. It's outward facing. I'm just saying that with a condition like autism, insight is not a given.
Shechemite
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Insight being agreement; denial the temerity to disagree.
‘The only tool is a hammer’ indeed.
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Temerity, what?
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