Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[Magnus McGinty]

Isn't that between them, and none of you business?

Is this your attitude towards child abuse generally?

 

[elbows]

Also galactagogue is a great word.

 

[weepiper]

Isn't that between them, and none of you business?

Don't think a UK health visitor would see it that way.

 

[8ball]

Also galactagogue is a great word.

Sounds like a word describing Elon Musk's long-term political aspirations.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Don't think a UK health visitor would see it that way.

That would entirely depend on the health visitor, but as long as the child was healthy, happy and thriving they would not have a valid reason to intervene.

Is this your attitude towards child abuse generally?

Ok so all women who use this drug are child abusers?

 

[Pickman's model]

this *is* going well

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Ok so all women who use this drug are child abusers?

Exposing infants to potential harm based on the desires of the parent could be argued as such in this context.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Exposing infants to potential harm based on the desires of the parent could be argued as such in this context.

Read what the NHS has to say and come back to me on that one .

 

[Pickman's model]

Exposing infants to potential harm based on the desires of the parent could be argued as such in this context.

go on then

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Read what the NHS has to say and come back to me on that one .

Are the NHS prescribing it to transwomen then, to save me looking?

 

[elbows]

Well whoopy do for you, have a cookie. The baby's mother that gave birth to it can do all that without pumping herself full of hormones and nausea suppressors, and she's the only one in the relationship that can make colostrum, which is the most important breast milk with huge benefits for the baby, because colostrum is produced in pregnancy. Why is it better for the father (it is the baby's father we're talking about in this instance) to go through all those hoops to produce milk which isn't as good as the mother's? How about she gets to bond with her own baby?

Is Colostrum the early stuff that does various important things but is only produced in the first days after birth?

 

[Jonti]

I read in the conclusion

Domperidone is a relatively safe drug, but it would be unethical and unprofessional to expose a mother and baby to a drug they do not need ...

 

[elbows]

I read in the conclusion

Indeed. I would be most interested to know how much it is used for this purpose in the uk. In part because I find that general advice within medical settings about not giving people drugs they do not need is the first thing to go out the window at the slightest provocation. Much more likely to give more drugs to deal with side-effect of drugs than not hand drugs out like candy in the first place.

 

[maomao]

you don't think the benefits of skin to skin contact, being breastfed, bonding with the babies mother (who is trans whether you like it or not) outweigh the risks here-

I've done two out of three of them with both my kids as a cis father.

 

[bimble]

it is the baby's father we're talking about in this instance

Omg transphobia.

 

[Treacle Toes]

OMG shitstirrer.

 

[elbows]

We Need To Talk, the TERF speaking tour, have a statement out insisting that they are going to go ahead with a meeting in Dublin. The letter telling them to fuck off now has somewhere over 1,200 signatories from the Irish feminist movement. My guess is it won’t go ahead and that they are simply trolling the natives. If they do try to go ahead there will be one hell of a row and no doubt they will blame “trans activists” for the consequences of them aggravating the entire feminist movement in the next country over.

Indeed I just checked and the Dublin event was in a Feb 8th tweet described as being 'postponed'.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Are the NHS prescribing it to transwomen then, to save me looking?

Please continue, argue the case that the trans woman is guilty of child abuse without implicating other mothers who use the drug needlessly since they have the option of bottle feeding. Give it a go.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Please continue, argue the case that the trans woman is guilty of child abuse without implicating other mothers who use the drug needlessly since they have the option of bottle feeding. Give it a go.

So they aren’t being prescribed it then? I didn’t expect so.

 

[Pickman's model]

So they aren’t being prescribed it then? I didn’t expect so.

have another try

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

There's no need to be rude, nor for the quotes round natal women.

I put quotes around it because it is in use in this thread but I don't use the myself though I am one of the women to which it would apply. Why are you talking to me as if I have said something offensive?

 

[elbows]

So they aren’t being prescribed it then? I didn’t expect so.

I doubt blanket statements one way or the other are terribly useful in this case. We've already seen how the unlicensed use of the drug is handled for women on a per-patient basis, eg left to GPs discretion, and I would not like to rule out the possibility that this has happened with one or more trans women too.

Certainly I dont see any NHS national policy guidelines about the issue, although perhaps they do exist and I just havent found them.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

have another try

Is there nothing that trans rights doesn’t trump?

 

[Jonti]

I put quotes around it because it is in use in this thread but I don't use the myself though I am one of the women to which it would apply. Why are you talking to me as if I have said something offensive?

It's just unnecessary jargon when natal is readily understood in this context.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

It's just unnecessary jargon when natal is readily understood in this context.

Stop adding unnecessary italics then man.

 

[weepiper]

Is Colostrum the early stuff that does various important things but is only produced in the first days after birth?

Yes.
Colostrum benefits for baby

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Is there nothing that trans rights doesn’t trump?

I thought you were a socialist, but you are doing an excellent job of coming across as a radical feminist. Oppression top trumps.

 

[elbows]

Is there nothing that trans rights doesn’t trump?

Yes I'm soooo jealous, if only we had the privilege of being subjected to eternal rounds of emotive bingo like they are. For a full house, ickle babies being poisoned by the nasty man.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I thought you were a socialist, but you are doing an excellent job of coming across as a radical feminist. Oppression top trumps.

People are playing that but it certainly isn’t me.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

You need to argue convincingly that taking the drug Doperamide whilst breastfeeding is child abuse, and you need to make sure you are not implicating all women in the process. One more try, come on Magnus!